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Posted on 9/20/23 at 8:23 am to Animal
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Is that not what we already have, an unelected faceless bureacracy?
You are absolutely right. But how does term limits on elected representatives diminish the faceless bureaucracy’s power? I believe that by removing elected officials through term limits, without other fixes, increases the bureaucracy’s power.
Now, if we have term limits, in addition to the repeal of the 17th Amendment and the elimination of government unions, that would be something I’d 100% support
Posted on 9/20/23 at 8:23 am to burger bearcat
I don’t understand how you accomplish #2 without taking a dump on the 1st Amendment.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 8:48 am to burger bearcat
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1) Term Limits for all federal office. (And states hopefully follow on state level as well)
2) No more PACs. Or at minimum the PAC has to have to be subject to all the same laws (minimum donation, etc) as the canidate does
3) No out of state, and definitely no foreign money allowed for any canidate. Only exception is the President who is the only canidate that runs a national campaign. But still must be American only.
#1 has the support of 65% of the people, perhaps, but only 5% of the decision makers.
Numbers 2 and 3 are illegal because they are unconstitutional.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 8:51 am to Penrod
What measurable outcomes do you think term limits will achieve?
Does anyone think the Louisiana State Legislature has improved since term limits were enacted in 1995?
Does anyone think the Louisiana State Legislature has improved since term limits were enacted in 1995?
This post was edited on 9/20/23 at 8:52 am
Posted on 9/20/23 at 8:55 am to VoxDawg
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The states may convene a Convention of States and introduce Constitutional amendments.
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it is the inaccurate to say that we are dependent on those with power to surrender it.
Pretty sure I am not a "state". So, it is accurate to say we are dependent on those with power to surrender.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 8:58 am to IT_Dawg
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quote:yet it stands no chance of being passed in Congress.
well yea. you are asking people of power, to relinquish power, and limit the time they can stay in power....
same reason we will never get rid of government hand outs. over 50% of people in this country no longer pay a net tax to the federal government. you think those people are ever going to vote people into office that will take away the freebies??
You know the constitutional republic and true representative government doesn't exist or effectively exist when you can poll the American people and 75% believe there should be congressional term limits and strict lobby reform yet the rat bastards in power ignore the people. I'm with Matt Gaetz, whether a motion to enact term limits is successful during this R controlled House is irrelevant, at least make each member go on the record so their constituents can decide if they want to term limit their asses at the ballot box.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 8:59 am to burger bearcat
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1) Term Limits for all federal office. (And states hopefully follow on state level as well) 2) No more PACs. Or at minimum the PAC has to have to be subject to all the same laws (minimum donation, etc) as the canidate does 3) No out of state, and definitely no foreign money allowed for any canidate. Only exception is the President who is the only canidate that runs a national campaign. But still must be American only.
All of these will have SCOTUS/Constitutional problems unless we’re talking amendment.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:00 am to burger bearcat
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1) Term Limits for all federal office. (And states hopefully follow on state level as well)
The issue is not the term, but if the person represents the people, not just the money
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2) No more PACs. Or at minimum the PAC has to have to be subject to all the same laws (minimum donation, etc) as the canidate does
:kige:
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3) No out of state, and definitely no foreign money allowed for any canidate. Only exception is the President who is the only canidate that runs a national campaign. But still must be American only.
I might not go this far, but I feel mostly the same.
Main thing is FULL transparency (I did suggest SCOTUS / POTUS / Congress at least had to wear "sponsorship" on their clothing like NASCAR does.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:47 am to burger bearcat
Term limits is a unique issue because there is no partisan difference of opinion. IE, GOP and Dem voters favor it at the same levels (in favor). GOP and Dem congressmen oppose it at the same levels (opposed).
Posted on 9/20/23 at 10:08 am to omegaman66
This is where your relationship with your local state representative comes into play. It's the state legislatures that call for the CoS in the first place, and ultimately ratify the Constitutional amendments.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 11:44 am to Flats
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without taking a dump on the 1st Amendment.
Right, you can't tell people not to pool their money and make a commercial. This is impossible to ban.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 12:55 pm to Friscodog
I am even fine letting anyone in office be grandfathered in on the term limits ... all the worse ones are 80 or older anyway.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 1:07 pm to burger bearcat
Term limits is fool's gold. It looks like a good idea on the surface but in reality it would do nothing. The problem isn't the same people being in Congress for decade after decade. The problem is the same people being in Washington D.C. for decade after decade. As long as you have countless jobs in federal bureaus, commissions, and agencies as well as countless advisory jobs with this, that, and the other political think tanks and consultant groups term limits isn't going to accomplish that. How many terms in Congress has Susan Rice served? When was the last time John Kerry was elected to any position? Bill Barr has been a fixture in Washington since the Bush Administration without even ever running for office. All term limits do is shift people from being front and center to being behind the scenes in Washington. We don't need term limits. We need budget reductions in every nook and cranny of the government to shrink the number of positions in the government. (Figuring out a way to eliminate federal employee unions that make it almost impossible to get rid of anyone with a federal job would help too.)
Posted on 9/21/23 at 7:01 am to Bourre
We agree.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 7:38 am to burger bearcat
I used to be opposed to term limits because I thought what happens if once in a while you end up with someone who is really good. Now I realize you have a better chance finding a unicorn.
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