re: 135 days since I was saved by the Grace of God through faith in his son Jesus Christ

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Nope ain't sayn that at all! Because I've already answered that question. A better question would be what was God doing with his time before the creation of the heavens and the earth? Hmmmmm.... Like getting to the center of a tootsie roll pop... The world may never know. I damn sure ain't got all the answers that's for sure. But maybe just maybe we will one day

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According to the scriptures and the scholars who have taken the time to study them Heaven has always existed. The Creator has been in fellowship with created beings (angels) in Heaven long before man’s creation.

I have a question for Luke or Revelator, or anyone who has a response:

You say God has a ‘plan’ for everyone(this on its face is a moot point since God, according to the Bible ‘purposes’, he does not plan, but that’s another topic maybe). Since he has a ‘plan’ for everyone, what was his plan for the 1-year old that got killed in a car accident last week, and whose parents can’t bare to live anymore?

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A devout atheist

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That is not a thing bro.

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looks at people of faith, particularly Christians as an impediment to a godless world without moral absolutes or without judgment.

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Is this Poe's law? I cannot tell if you genuinely believe this.

News flash: Atheists are moral because it is the right thing to do and leads to a happy, fulfilling life.

Are you only good because you are worried you will be smited by God?

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ou just have to believe in his son, ask forgiveness of your sins and past mistakes, and pick the cross up and follow him. Read Gods word, pray to him, and obey(which the Holy Spirit you will receive makes possible).

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this is truth.
thank you so much for sharing this here.
i hope and pray this has reached those that are seeking the Lord.

keep on brother.

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Saying that I don't have all of life's answers in no way suggests that I am dissuaded one iota of both my and my Mom's destiny.

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The guys who crashed planes into buildings on 9/11 probably felt pretty good about their destiny too. Few things warp the mind like religion.

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Not trying to argue but I felt just like you bro. I was super friendly and got along with about anyone. Never stole, killed or had any pure evil intentions. Loaned money to needy family all the time too. But was lost.

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I'm sorry you felt that way, but I don't. I personally think you're a Christian because you live in the heart of the Bible Belt and that your worldview would be drastically different if you were born elsewhere.

In this state kids are brainwashed and have their minds fortified by religion long before they are old enough to have any critical thinking skills, and even the ones who do break free can face quite a bit of family and social backlash.

It's sickening.

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And yet here you are in another thread on religion, poo-pooing (with quite a snarky attitude, I might add) even the possibility of the existence of an omnipotent, loving Creator.

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I argue about all kinds of meaningless topics. Religion grinds my gears more than most because I think it's a drag on modern society.

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You seem unable to resist the compulsion to vehemently argue every chance you get. I don't feel the absolute need to argue the existence of bigfoot, nessie, ghosts or aliens. I don't believe in them....I ignore those who do.

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1. I will argue about most anything.

2. If you were surrounded by a voting public that based a lot of their decisions on a supernatural being that you found silly and a detriment to society, I bet you would find it aggravating too.

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But for some reason, you feel compelled to engage believers, and expend a fair amount of time and energy arguing against the existence of something in which you don't even believe.

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Why did the OP post his testimony on the Political Board? It doesn't belong here, but you don't seem to have a problem with that. I didn't knock on the door of a church and barge in. This thread shouldn't be here.

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I don’t believe in any religion because I’m against any global consolidation of power but imagine what this world would be without it. There would be no society, there would be absolute anarchy.

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It would be anarchy because society is not ready to let go of religion. It's like asking a 10 year old to leave his parents and go support himself in the Real World. Society needs a little more time to mature. It shouldn't, but it does.

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He wants you to believe in him not have a complete understanding.

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So God inherently wants us to be irrational is what you’re saying.

You people are nuts. That’s why you have faith.

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I’m not gonna pretend to have all Gods answers. But his plan for that child was a quick call to heaven.

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So I would like to give you some things I’ve learned on this subject, I hope you can keep an open mind:

(1) James 1:13. I’m sure you are familiar with this scripture but I’ll paraphrase it for you-‘with evil things, God cannot be tried, not does he himself try anyone.’ In other words, an almighty, all-loving God, does not make bad things happen to people, in an attempt to change their lives. You are in effect saying a 1-year old is now part of God’s heavenly host of powerful angels? What merited such a lofty calling? The baby knows nothing about God. Does a Muslim baby thousands of miles away receive the same calling? What about the baby whose parents are Atheists?

I don’t mean to badger you, but it is very common for people to have life-changing events that caused them to want to seek deeper spiritual meaning in life. Sometimes, it’s usually a near-death experience or something a loved one has gone through. God does not automatically reveal himself to you when you go through such things. John 17:3 says salvation, everlasting life, depends on a continued learning, studying, taking in knowledge of God, not a one time ‘moonshot’; does not exist. And no one is ‘saved’. We are all, those interested, continually working on our salvation.

Again, don’t mean to badger you, and you readily admitted you don’t have all the answers. But God does not have a plan for every single one of us. He has, and has always had, a purpose for all mankind. And every single one of us has the gift of free will, or the choice, to be a part of it.

LINK

These verses should help with the those who never get a chance to hear the word of God.




You are teaching me things now and I’m grateful. Maybe the older lady that lost her daughter wasn’t God trying to get her attention but she made the choice to move in his direction because of the unfortunate event.


I also believe we need to keep pursuing God every day, but I also feel like once you are truly saved and felt his presence the Holy Spirit makes it very difficult to turn away from him and not continue to pursue.

But that’s a debate I have seen many times in my short walk is the once saved always saved or the yes you can fall from Grace argument.

I just know it’s not up for me to judge who goes to heaven or who doesn’t or how you get there. I just want to follow because I know what he did for me and the Bible tells me to share that. I did not start believing because I wanted to go to heaven and was scared.


You are not badgering me bro. I’m only 135 days saved, and never read the Bible til after it happened. Plus I work two jobs so it’s a struggle to get as much time in with him as needed but I’m working on that.

Thank you for your wisdom.

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Saying that I don't have all of life's answers in no way suggests that I am dissuaded one iota of both my and my Mom's destiny.

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The guys who crashed planes into buildings on 9/11 probably felt pretty good about their destiny too. Few things warp the mind like religion.

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False equivalency...so you're saying, basically, you can toss all religious convictions into the same category even if there is just one path of truth in the lot? I'm sure there are folks who would subscribe some pretty nasty attributes to you that many Godless folks partake in if we can just dump everyone into the same group and apply it to all parties in that large group.

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False equivalency...so you're saying, basically, you can toss all religious convictions into the same category even if there is just one path of truth in the lot?

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No, he said "few things warp the mind like religion".

And he's absolutely correct.