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re: 1 Question Would Save Floyds Life!
Posted on 7/9/20 at 8:41 am to NC_Tigah
Posted on 7/9/20 at 8:41 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
Tell that to Breonna Taylor. Tell it to Tamir Rice.
One question which would have have saved their lives as well as Floyd's is a simple Police procedure review question:
"What are the risks in this approach?"
Simple review alterations of protocol would have made a lifetime of difference in each instance.
Example:
If called to a site where a man is supposedly brandishing a gun, (a) ensure ALL known facts are in the responding team's hands (i.e., that 911 calls identifying the "perp" as appearing to be a child, and the gun likely a "fake"), and (b) don't drive right up to within 10ft of the suspect where there is no chance to analyze WTF is happening and assess best response.
Example:
If conducting a middle of the night no-knock raid on two people who drive to work routinely M-F, ask why not wait until the "suspects" leave their house to detain them, or better yet, assess risk/benefit of first simply knocking on the door during the day.
Yet, patterns of police raids remain STUPID! The PabloEscobar-style raids on RogerStone and GhislaineMaxwell are cases in point.
Example:
If carotid compression aka choke-holds are taught, what safety checks are in place?
I'm not going to downvote (like my opinion matters anyways) because this is the first time I've seen something specific and not irrational laid out.
There isn't any defense for Chauvin. And there were very costly and tragic mistakes in the Taylor and Rice shootings but they weren't on the same level as Chauvin IMO. Chauvin gave Floyd a cold blooded, long death when he had no opportunity to defend himself. Police should know when someone like George Floyd genuinely can't breathe. Also, he broke a lot of protocols with his little stunt.
I get the point of the thread. And it is overwhelmingly true that, with very few exceptions, all of the "unarmed" black males that have been killed by police have not been contributors to society. They've all been hardened criminals. Layer the resisting that eventually led to their deaths, it's not exactly an illogical request to ask these criminals to not escalate when the police interact with them. The first step inevitably is always resistance. And that is something that the black community refuses to acknowledge.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 8:42 am to Damone
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Do ignorant people cheer on the lightning strikes like they do the cop killings?
We aren't cheering , we are explaining and exposing truth to lying idiots....you're welcome.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 8:44 am to oogabooga68
What’s the truth behind Breonna Taylor and Kelly Thomas?
Posted on 7/9/20 at 9:15 am to oogabooga68
quote:Of course you are. You are making the worst possible presumptions about families and victims, beyond the best possible assumptions of police response training and systems which were/are clearly flawed, and casting blame on a kid with a toy.
We aren't cheering
The point being made is if you are trained to shoot-to-kill a fleeing perp with a taser, every drunken RashardBrooks and some WalterScotts will die, gunned down from behind. That was necessary in taking down Dillinger. Is that necessary in all instances? Can we not at least take a look at less lethal techniques?
Same with no-knock raids?
You say no. You're an idiot!
Posted on 7/9/20 at 9:16 am to rbm1
There are 5 times more whites than blacks in this country
Posted on 7/9/20 at 9:17 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
Simple review alterations of protocol would have made a lifetime of difference in each instance.
Hindsight is undefeated!!!
Posted on 7/9/20 at 9:25 am to oogabooga68
quote:
Tamir's fault, his parents fault, Black Culture's fault
Your parent fault for not following thru on the intended abortion.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 9:26 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
Of course you are
This is a lie, this makes you a liar....be better!
Posted on 7/9/20 at 9:26 am to rbm1
quote:
10 black people were killed by policemen last year, while 20 white men were killed!
*unarmed
Posted on 7/9/20 at 9:27 am to DByrd2
quote:
He died of a drug-induced heart attack.
Except he didn’t.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 9:39 am to kingbob
quote:
There are 5 times more whites than blacks in this country
Irrelevant, police don't interact with law abiding citizens, they interact with criminals.
What's the ratio there?
Posted on 7/9/20 at 10:23 am to oogabooga68
I wonder what oompaloompa68 thinks a fair punishment should have been for the Columbine shooters parents? Probably a patriot award.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 10:36 am to rbm1
quote:
You are hating the wrong white guys, You need to hate the white people who having been playing and exploiting you since the sixties.
And yet, the simpletons fall for the con every damn time.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 10:47 am to NoMansLand
quote:
I wonder what oompaloompa68 thinks a fair punishment should have been for the Columbine shooters parents?
You're kind of an idiot.
No one said anything about punishing parents.....
Maybe next time get someone to help you with the big words, mmmkay?
Posted on 7/9/20 at 11:16 am to oogabooga68
quote:
Tamir's fault, his parents fault, Black Culture's fault
Parent”s fault resulting child’s death and no punishment. I guess that would be considered presumptive to someone of your low IQ
Posted on 7/9/20 at 11:28 am to Smokeyone
quote:
(b) don't drive right up to within 10ft of the suspect where there is no chance to analyze WTF is happening and assess best response.
How about (c) dont shoot at the cops when they pull up.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 11:36 am to ShakeandBake
quote:Yes, the orange tip had been removed. Yes, it would have been difficult to distinguish between the Airsoft and a real handgun under the circumstances of the shooting.quote:Oh you mean the kid who was waving around an airsoft gun with the orange tip removed.
Tell it to Tamir Rice
Those are not the valid questions, when analyzing the officers' behavior.
10-15 minutes had elapsed since the 911 call. The officers had no way of knowing if the person in the park was even the SAME person made the subject of the 911 call. He was just a kid sitting at a bench under a gazebo,
There was no one else in the park and thus no one was in danger. There was thus no need for the officers to drive their cruiser right up to the kid and jump out of the vehicle, drawing their weapons. The situation clearly called for a more "measured" approach.
The 911 caller HAD identified the suspect as a kid and HAD indicated that the gun was probably a toy. None of this was disclosed to the officers by the dispatcher.
Had better policies and procedures been in place, the kid would NOT have died. That does not constitute "racism" ... only REALLY bad policing.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 11:36 am to NoMansLand
Where did I say parents should be punished?
Posted on 7/9/20 at 11:37 am to BugAC
quote:Negative.
Hindsight is undefeated!!!
That is the point. I am talking about root cause analysis review, and improvement of LEO policy when negative outcomes occur.
Police Depts had seen multiple deaths attributed in part to carotid impression. Yet George Floyd is another death.
5 yrs ago, Walter Scott was gunned down from behind in what for months was taken to be a situation identical to the Rashard Brooks incident. Yet there were no changes in policy. (Later a happenstance video established the cop planted his taser next to Scott's body).
In the Rice incident, pertinent 911 info was not passed to the responding officers. The same thing had happened previously. TTBOMK, not a scintilla of change occurred in response.
We have seen multiple episodes of no-knock raids gone wrong over the years. Yet the raids continue under very questionable or completely unwarranted circumstances. In the Louisville episode, not only was there substantial resistance to change policy, they charged the home occupant with attempted murder, and the L'ville PD was outraged the man was even granted bail.
Each of the recent outcomes were preceded by nearly identical past episodes which could have provided basis for future improvement. Yet here we are.
We are now in a situation where by all appearances department policy was followed to a tee by the Atlanta police officers. Yet they stand criminally charged and Brooks is dead. Had they ignored policy, and allowed Brooks to flee with a taser, they'd have likely been subject to departmental discipline. We may find something similar in the Floyd case. A cop was unnecessarily injured in Louisville d/t stupid policy.
Resistance to performance improvement or even consideration is unacceptable when lives (police and civilian) are on the line. Hanging cops out to dry when bad policy results in bad outcome is unacceptable as well.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 11:37 am to AubieinNC2009
I automatically assume anyone defending the shooting of Tamir Rice is a shitty cop or married to one.
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