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re: 1 Question Would Save Floyds Life!
Posted on 7/9/20 at 7:45 am to NC_Tigah
Posted on 7/9/20 at 7:45 am to NC_Tigah
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Airsoft actually, without the orange tip.
One of my kids has an airsoft pistol and I promise, without the orange tip, over cannot tell it isn't real without holding it. Even then, it's not all plastic.
Airsoft ARs are identical from about 20 feet away.
This post was edited on 7/9/20 at 7:46 am
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Posted on 7/9/20 at 7:52 am to NC_Tigah
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Tell it to Tamir Rice
Oh you mean the kid who was waving around an airsoft gun with the orange tip removed. He was being stupid trying to scare people and it cost him his life when the police showed up.
'But they should have known he was a kid!' you say. Because 12 year olds don't shoot anyone? A simple Google search would indicate otherwise. Officers responded because they most likely had seen teens with guns before in that area or in their career.
It all comes back to the failure of the family unit in the black community. If the behavior was rare officers would probably have approached it differently. And that behavior is corrected earlier in a child's life.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 7:54 am to oogabooga68
quote:Don't be an imbecile!
This wasn't the fault of the police, it was HIS fault and the fault of his parents.
You're conflating a kid playing cops and robbers with real criminals.
The cops response, driving to within feet of the kid, WAS STUPID!
GOT IT?
That response could have gotten one or both cops killed if the suspect had actually been an adult intending to do harm. Driving to within feet of the kid gave the cops no time to do anything except shoot first, and ask questions later. There is no defense for a department continuing to train cops to do that.
That isn't really blaming individual cops. They were exonerated. Justifiably so.
It calls out their training and 911 informational protocols. Improvements of either could have saved Rice's life.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 7:54 am to rbm1
Floyd’s actions shouldn’t have resulted in his death. Yes, his life choices put him that situation but the situation didn’t warrant the outcome.. the offending officer also put himself in a position of criminality by his own actions.. the other officers complacency put them in line for punishment(not inherently criminal).
Posted on 7/9/20 at 7:55 am to NC_Tigah
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(b) don't drive right up to within 10ft of the suspect where there is no chance to analyze WTF is happening and assess best response.
Tamir Rice moved. The cops were told the suspect was by the slides. They pulled up by that pavilion expecting to have room to scout the situation out. Unfortunately Tamir had moved from the slides and was sitting at the pavilion. Also unfortunate that someone removed the orange tip and that he reached for the gun in his waistband as the police approached.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 7:59 am to NC_Tigah
If called to a site where a man is supposedly brandishing a gun, (a) ensure ALL known facts are in the responding team's hands (i.e., that 911 calls identifying the "perp" as appearing to be a child, and the gun likely a "fake"), and (b) don't drive right up to within 10ft of the suspect where there is no chance to analyze WTF is happening and assess best response.
If you don’t like 10 year old kids cannot be dangerous and have access to firearms via gang affiliation you are delusional. The cop was putting himself in harms way to stop a threat. That’s why they acted quickly and got close.
The Ga town we left had started using kids as runners and started arming them. My daughter would have attended 4th grade with kids wearing house arrest ankle bracelets for violent drug and firearms offenses if we had not moved. They had kids die from meth laced candy passed out by a 4th grader after we left.
Ex2
If conducting a middle of the night no-knock raid on two people who drive to work routinely M-F, ask why not wait until the "suspects" leave their house to detain them, or better yet, assess risk/benefit of first simply knocking on the door during the day.
You are operating under the false narrative that suspects that would warrant a no knock search are reasonable people that would just cooperate with a “shucks guys, you got me, the drugs are under the bed”. shite just isn’t like that. If the Brownshirts (DBA Antifa and BLM) has taught you anything it should be that mindless violence is the norm of criminal elements.
If you don’t like 10 year old kids cannot be dangerous and have access to firearms via gang affiliation you are delusional. The cop was putting himself in harms way to stop a threat. That’s why they acted quickly and got close.
The Ga town we left had started using kids as runners and started arming them. My daughter would have attended 4th grade with kids wearing house arrest ankle bracelets for violent drug and firearms offenses if we had not moved. They had kids die from meth laced candy passed out by a 4th grader after we left.
Ex2
If conducting a middle of the night no-knock raid on two people who drive to work routinely M-F, ask why not wait until the "suspects" leave their house to detain them, or better yet, assess risk/benefit of first simply knocking on the door during the day.
You are operating under the false narrative that suspects that would warrant a no knock search are reasonable people that would just cooperate with a “shucks guys, you got me, the drugs are under the bed”. shite just isn’t like that. If the Brownshirts (DBA Antifa and BLM) has taught you anything it should be that mindless violence is the norm of criminal elements.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 8:03 am to AubieinNC2009
quote:
Breonna Taylor
while tragic her boyfriend started that firefight
Yeah nah that's some bootlicker shite. If someone kicks in my door in the middle of the night I'm not waiting to see who they are before grabbing my gun.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 8:11 am to Ingeniero
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Yeah nah that's some bootlicker shite. If someone kicks in my door in the middle of the night I'm not waiting to see who they are before grabbing my gun.
This.
I don't think it was a race issue, and I don't blame the bf for reacting like that. I'd have done the exact same thing.
No knock warrants need to stop.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 8:21 am to ShakeandBake
quote:I say?
'But they should have known he was a kid!' you say.
No.
I say had they known the 911 callers identified Rice as a kid with a toy, their response may well have been different.
quote:
It all comes back to the failure of the family unit in the black community.
There are all kinds of examples of family failures among indigent populations. This really is not one.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 8:23 am to rbm1
quote:
Would Floyd still be alive if he hadn't broke the law, again?"
Now do Breonna Taylor and Kelly Thomas
Posted on 7/9/20 at 8:24 am to NC_Tigah
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You're conflating a kid playing cops and robbers with real criminals.
Liar.
He was terrorizing people in the Park, not playing cops and robbers....
Tamir's fault, his parents fault, Black Culture's fault....
Posted on 7/9/20 at 8:25 am to rbm1
Dude, cops are not friends of liberty. I don't go out of my way to disparage police officers but I don't have a lot of sympathy for them now. It is what it is.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 8:25 am to AubieinNC2009
quote:
dont modify a toy gun to look real, disobey cops, and shoot at them.
quote:
while tragic her boyfriend started that firefight
Yikes, imagine being this big of a copcuck
Posted on 7/9/20 at 8:26 am to NoMansLand
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Wow. I hope your 12 year-old son doesn’t ever act like an idiot.
He will, but that idiocy won't include terrorizing people with a gun.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 8:26 am to rbm1
quote:
"Would Floyd still be alive if he hadn't broke the law, again?"
Irrelevant. He died of a drug-induced heart attack.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 8:28 am to NC_Tigah
quote:Black people literally have a higher change of dying by a lightning strike than being killed by a policeman.
Tell that to Breonna Taylor. Tell it to Tamir Rice.
One question which would have have saved their lives as well as Floyd's is a simple Police procedure review question:
"What are the risks in this approach?"
Simple review alterations of protocol would have made a lifetime of difference in each instance.
Example:
If called to a site where a man is supposedly brandishing a gun, (a) ensure ALL known facts are in the responding team's hands (i.e., that 911 calls identifying the "perp" as appearing to be a child, and the gun likely a "fake"), and (b) don't drive right up to within 10ft of the suspect where there is no chance to analyze WTF is happening and assess best response.
Example:
If conducting a middle of the night no-knock raid on two people who drive to work routinely M-F, ask why not wait until the "suspects" leave their house to detain them, or better yet, assess risk/benefit of first simply knocking on the door during the day.
Yet, patterns of police raids remain STUPID! The PabloEscobar-style raids on RogerStone and GhislaineMaxwell are cases in point.
Example:
If carotid compression aka choke-holds are taught, what safety checks are in place?
Posted on 7/9/20 at 8:29 am to CarRamrod
Do ignorant people cheer on the lightning strikes like they do the cop killings?
Posted on 7/9/20 at 8:31 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
There are all kinds of examples of family failures among indigent populations. This really is not one.
Maybe. But if the parents knew the orange tip was painted or removed....
Posted on 7/9/20 at 8:32 am to rbm1
If Floyd would not have consumed fentanyl laced heroine and resisted arrest, he'd still be alive. This does not mean that Chauvin didn't play a part but the resisting arrest culture needs to stop.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 8:37 am to Damone
quote:if someone is flying a metal kite in a thunderstorm, the Darwin Award is presented.
Do ignorant people cheer on the lightning strikes like they do the cop killings?
you dimwit.
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