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re: 1 Question Would Save Floyds Life!
Posted on 7/9/20 at 11:37 am to AubieinNC2009
Posted on 7/9/20 at 11:37 am to AubieinNC2009
quote:This might have some relevance, if the kid had shot at the cops.quote:How about (c) dont shoot at the cops when they pull up.
(b) don't drive right up to within 10ft of the suspect where there is no chance to analyze WTF is happening and assess best response.
Of course, he could not do that ... because he was holding a damned TOY.
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Posted on 7/9/20 at 11:39 am to NC_Tigah
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In the Rice incident, pertinent 911 info was not passed to the responding officers
What info do you think could have been passed along that would have made this outcome different?
When a person is in a park brandishing a handgun and terrorizing people, there's a really good chance the end will be tragic.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 11:39 am to NoMansLand
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NoMansLand
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2 things would improve your credibility:
Yet, there is nothing that give you any credibility.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 11:40 am to SidewalkTiger
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No, but Chauvin still didnt have to kill him.
Have you seen the autopsy report? Chauvin didn't kill him. I know facts are irrelevant in 2020 and he's going to get railroaded in a drumhead court, but anyone who has seen any of the findings from the coroner know Floyd would have been dead if Chauvin didn't come within 100 feet of him.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 11:40 am to Damone
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Yikes, imagine being this big of a copcuck
dont really care for cops but I dont give them a reason to shoot me. Lets test your theory out, go get a black air soft gun and go wave it around cops and shoot at them. Let me know what happens.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 11:42 am to the808bass
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I automatically assume anyone defending the shooting of Tamir Rice is a shitty cop or married to one.
I automatically assume that someone who doesn't understand that the Tamir Rice story ended badly because the idiot kid was terrorizing people is a keyboard PUZZY who loves to cast judgements at people who put their lives on the line daily and are under no obligation to get their heads blown off because they don't stop and ask someone whether their very real looking gun is real or not....
Kids fault, parents fault, Cultures' fault.....
Pick better hills to die on, the Rice kid was terrorizing people.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 11:43 am to oogabooga68
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I automatically assume that someone who doesn't understand that the Tamir Rice story ended badly because the idiot kid was terrorizing people
The cop who shot him, did he have a mental breakdown on a gun range and wash out?
Weird. Almost like he was a shitty cop.
Better hills to die on.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 11:44 am to AubieinNC2009
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Lets test your theory out, go get a black air soft gun and go wave it around cops and shoot at them.
These keyboard PUZZIES who claim that the poor kid shouldn't have been shot because it wasn't a real gun are fking morons....let them continue their unjustified cop-hate, it makes them feel like big men....
Posted on 7/9/20 at 11:45 am to the808bass
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Almost like he was a shitty cop.
Ok, so your argument is a shitty kid who was terrorizing people with a gun was killed by a shitty cop who justifiably shot him?
Ok.......
Posted on 7/9/20 at 11:48 am to the808bass
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The cop who shot him, did he have a mental breakdown on a gun range and wash out? Weird. Almost like he was a shitty cop. Better hills to die on.
Not worth your time arguing with this fool; and you know I rarely agree with your POV so that’s saying a lot.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 11:51 am to oogabooga68
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cop who justifiably shot him?
No. I’m arguing that cop was not morally justified in shooting him.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 11:54 am to AggieHank86
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Yes, the orange tip had been removed. Yes, it would have been difficult to distinguish between the Airsoft and a real handgun under the circumstances of the shooting. Those are not the valid questions, when analyzing the officers' behavior. 10-15 minutes had elapsed since the 911 call. The officers had no way of knowing if the person in the park was even the SAME person made the subject of the 911 call. He was just a kid sitting at a bench under a gazebo,
You are definitely a front runner for “dumbest thing I’ve read on the internet today” award.
He was just a kid sitting under a gazebo randomly point a firearm at cops. That was the information the cops had to work with. A 911 call about a suspect terrorizing folks in a public park and that’s what they found.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 11:54 am to the808bass
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No. I’m arguing that cop was not morally justified in shooting him.
You are wrong.
I'm done lecturing your idiots, enjoy your made up reality but IN THE REAL WORLD, when someone is terrorizing people with a gun, real or not, bad zhit happens and it is ALWAYS the fault of the terrorist.
Some cops are good and some are bad, but almost all are braver than you keyboard puzzies that sit back on your fat asses and make judgements about situations you know nothing about.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 11:56 am to Smokeyone
They are keyboard puzzies who like to sniff their own farts and make hindsight judgements from the safety of their cribs.
These sad little boys would zhit their diapers if they had to face HALF the things the police have to face on a daily basis.
These sad little boys would zhit their diapers if they had to face HALF the things the police have to face on a daily basis.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 12:43 pm to oogabooga68
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You are wrong.
I’m not. It was a moral injustice that the cop rolled up and shot that kid. He will live with it for the rest of his life.
You’re busy drowning out the moral noise from your own conscience. Good luck.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 1:10 pm to oogabooga68
quote:You have clearly not listened to the recording or read the transcript. The caller clearly says that Tamir was “probably a juvenile” and that the weapon was “probably fake.”quote:What info do you think could have been passed along that would have made this outcome different?
In the Rice incident, pertinent 911 info was not passed to the responding officers
If that information had been available to the officers, they likely would not have approached the situation in the same manner, assuming that they had received even a modicum of training.
The 911 operator received a suspension for failure to pass that information along to the dispatcher/officers.
I seldom agree with Bass, but he nailed it here. Anyone who defends this shooting is either a bad cop or married to one.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 1:20 pm to Smokeyone
quote:No.
He was just a kid sitting under a gazebo randomly point a firearm at cops. That was the information the cops had to work with. A 911 call about a suspect terrorizing folks in a public park and that’s what they found.
Law enforcement received a report of a child pointing a toy gun at passersby. Their system was simply too incompetent to get that information to the cops on the street. So they drove up, expecting to find someone wandering around the park and pointing a weapon at people.
When they arrived, essentially NOTHING matched the report. There were ZERO passersby in the park. No one was brandishing a weapon. A 12-year-old kid was standing alone near a bench where he had just been sitting. THAT is what they would have seen ... if they had bothered to assess the situation.
Instead, they decided to play a real-life first-person-shooter game and slid their cruiser off the street and into the park, then exited the vehicle while drawing their weapons on someone who was accosting exactly no one at the time.
Either they were completely untrained ... or they slept thru their training.
This post was edited on 7/9/20 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 7/9/20 at 1:22 pm to AggieHank86
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If that information had been available to the officers, they likely would not have approached the situation in the same manner, assuming that they had received even a modicum of training.
Yes 99% of cops are “good” and have to walk an extremely fine line with little time to react. Everything about this particular case indicates the cop in question did not use good judgement, probably did not listen or think to ask the dispatcher (also unqualified) and should never have worn a badge:
Loehmann, the officer who killed Rice, joined Cleveland's police force in March 2014 (7 months before the incident). In 2012 he had spent five months with the police department in Independence, about 13 miles (21 km) south of Cleveland, with four of those months spent in the police academy.
In a memo to Independence's human resources manager, released by the city in the aftermath of the shooting, Independence deputy police chief Jim Polak wrote that Loehmann had resigned rather than face certain termination due to the concern that he lacked the emotional stability to be a police officer. Polak said that Loehmann was unable to follow "basic functions as instructed" and specifically cited a "dangerous loss of composure" that occurred in a weapons training exercise. Polak said that Loehmann's weapons handling was "dismal" and he became visibly "distracted and weepy" as a result of relationship problems.
This post was edited on 7/9/20 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 7/9/20 at 1:22 pm to AubieinNC2009
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dont modify a toy gun to look real, disobey cops, and shoot at them.
Nothing you said was factual, it was obvious it was a toy gun and he didn’t have a chance to disobey them or shoot at them, the cops literally did a drive by shooting on him.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 1:23 pm to oogabooga68
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He's dead because he was acting like an idiot.
He was fricking 12
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