Good news for fans of the confederacy - The Atlantic says you can still win

No. The war left it destitute. It's still the poorest region of the country.

Yankees, satisfied at having destroyed their own region, are now migrating South -- not only to Florida but states like North Carolina and Georgia.

The South as we know it today will not exist in 50 years -- it will be "Miamized"

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The great issues of the war were not resolved on that April morning at Appomattox. In this sense, not only is the Civil War not over; it can still be lost.

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Judging from this quote alone, I think the author is insulting the South as a racist wonderland despite the most racist cities in the US being in the northeast.

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No, the South is just finally starting to catch up. The real winner in the Civil War was the West.

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Strangely, as I was typing the original post in this thread the question about the West and how they played into the post war period popped into my head. They certainly enjoyed a great boom with the beef and then oil in Texas (I know it's technically a confederate state but seems more like a western one to me), the gold farther out west (though I think that started before the war - just going by the term 49'ers) and the agricultural stuff in California.

I wonder how the west's development would have been different if either the war hadn't been fought or if the south had won?

If the real issue was white supremacy (slavery being an institution derived from that ideology and that was the real issue at the heart of the war), then one could easily argue that the South did not "lose" at Appomattox.

Except for a brief period during Reconstruction, between 1865 and 1965, black southerners were systematically relegated to an inferior status as a matter of law and custum.

I imagine what the author is getting at is that recent developments curtailing the Voting Rights Act, the requirements for photo ID to vote, and antigay marriage stuff can be seen as regressive measures harkening to a much darker time in our history. I don't believe that's necessarily true, however.

After reading the entire article, it is quite obvious, to the informed reader, that the author is most certainly anti-South and anti Ted Cruz. He compares the smaller governement "radical extreme right wing republican" tea party to the KKK and their affiliates. The authors bias is much more apparent toward the end of the article than in the beginning. He points the finger solely at the South for all racism in this country, outlining several instances of horrible massacres/lynchings/murders etc. from the distant past. The closing statements come across as to draw a comparision of the right wing Republicans and the ideas of a lost cause. Is it a lost cause to not want the government poking their nose into every aspect of my life and choosing for me my options on how to live?

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The northeast is awful. I grew up in Tioga county, NY (Central NY State) and all the people from NYC have ruined that state. I'd probably never return to that hellhole. Upstate NY should just become its own state, they have nothing in common with those leaches in NYC.

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Upstate NY is a beautiful, depressing wasteland.

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It's still the poorest region of the country.

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West Virginia & New Mexico are checking in to say "bullshite".

Reconstruction hasn't helped either

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Serious question: Did the South "win the peace" in the long run?


No, the South is just finally starting to catch up. The real winner in the Civil War was the West. The South is gaining on the North, but is far from victory. There is still simply too much entrenched money and power in the north.

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It was a double whammy for the South. Just when the agriculture economy was picking back up after the CIvil War the Boll weevil and droughts hit. It wasn't until mechanisation started reducing the number of ppl needed to work farms that the south's economy started to diversify. Of course oil and gas helped too.

California and the plains states/territories were the real winners of the Civil War.