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Types of sites for ARs
Posted on 9/8/21 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 9/8/21 at 5:03 pm
Probably need to get some optics on my rifles eventually but I’m not exactly sure what sites I want to put on which rifles. I don’t think I want a full scope on any of them so that leaves me with red dots, holographic, and reflex sites (if I missed something let me know).
Does the board have an opinion on what goes best for which circumstance? If someone breaks in Im grabbing my 300BO because it’s way more maneuverable with an 8” barrel than my other rifles. So I was thinking maybe a reflex site on that one because it doesn’t force me to lose much peripheral vision. Then I was thinking maybe red dots potentially with a flip over magnifier. The magnifier seems like it may be a little gimmicky though so that’s not something I feel like I have to have unless the board thinks they’re worth it.
Basically I’m a blank canvas and would like to be able to reach out further or more accurately than with my iron sites and want some opinions on what my options are. Thoughts?
Does the board have an opinion on what goes best for which circumstance? If someone breaks in Im grabbing my 300BO because it’s way more maneuverable with an 8” barrel than my other rifles. So I was thinking maybe a reflex site on that one because it doesn’t force me to lose much peripheral vision. Then I was thinking maybe red dots potentially with a flip over magnifier. The magnifier seems like it may be a little gimmicky though so that’s not something I feel like I have to have unless the board thinks they’re worth it.
Basically I’m a blank canvas and would like to be able to reach out further or more accurately than with my iron sites and want some opinions on what my options are. Thoughts?
Posted on 9/8/21 at 5:23 pm to jlovel7
For close quarters a holographic sight like an eotech is unbeatable in my opinion. For a more do it all configuration most people are going to recommend a low powered variable optic like a vortex razor. I prefer an eotech with a magnifier though.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 5:28 pm to jlovel7
Really depends on the application of the gun. For general home defense and anything under 100 yards a red dot is pretty much hard to beat. The Trijicon MRO is a really good optic for the price point. The Aimpoint micro T2 is a solid choice as well, just a little more expensive. You can pick up an Aimpoint PRO for around $400 and they are great, but they are bulky. A lot of other companies are making good red dots for pretty cheap that seem to be holding up well, but for a life defending gun I would always put my money on Trijicon and Aimpoint.
You can run a magnifier and they are helpful on long targets with a red dot. I have that setup on my Tavor and it's really nice with the quick disconnect mount on the magnifier, but to me I would rather have a LPVO.
I don't have a whole lot of experience with reflex sights except for the Cmore railray and Eotech. I have on my competition rifles. They are solid and will take a beating, but battery life sucks on them.
You can run a magnifier and they are helpful on long targets with a red dot. I have that setup on my Tavor and it's really nice with the quick disconnect mount on the magnifier, but to me I would rather have a LPVO.
I don't have a whole lot of experience with reflex sights except for the Cmore railray and Eotech. I have on my competition rifles. They are solid and will take a beating, but battery life sucks on them.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 5:36 pm to jlovel7
I personally don't get the point of a magnifier unless you're just forced to have one gun for home defense that you also need to shoot at distance. They're heavy and do nothing for a home defense setup.
I prefer the Eotech but you have lots of good choices. The biggest weakness of a typical reflex sight doesn't apply indoors, so that's a good choice especially if you're trying to keep the weight down.
I prefer the Eotech but you have lots of good choices. The biggest weakness of a typical reflex sight doesn't apply indoors, so that's a good choice especially if you're trying to keep the weight down.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 6:03 pm to jlovel7
I have a few LPVO and for most shooting I prefer them. They have an illuminated reticle and at low power (1-3x) they’re pretty close to a red-dot.
I would at least look at them before you decide on one of the others.
I also have several of the red dots and they’re great.
I would at least look at them before you decide on one of the others.
I also have several of the red dots and they’re great.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 6:07 pm to jlovel7
www.ar15.com is my favorite site for AR's.
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This post was edited on 9/8/21 at 6:08 pm
Posted on 9/8/21 at 6:28 pm to jlovel7
1. Aimpoint micro H2
2. MRO
3. Eotech (think about battery you have the most and get that one)
1. Leopold ultra light (my next buy)
2. Lightest Vortex variable.
3. Trijicon variable, accupoint or vcog. (They are heavy af but maybe number 1 if your ok with carrying a brick)
1. acog is probably only fix magnification I like. ( I would get a acog b4 a reddot if I'm going to be using magnification all the time bc it has a bullet drop and the reddots/eotechs don't)
Now my favorite iron sights are with out a doubt those diamond sights u just line the boxes in from and back up way WAY easier for me to sight these in with half the ammo then the traditional ring or u sights. It's just easier for me to replicate sight picture and takes the thinking out of it for me at least.
Edit 1: if u want the aimpoint micro I highly recommend the H2 not the T2. The only thing the T2 does is can go 50m under water (150') and only has like 3-4 brightness levels, the other brightness levels are to attach NVG, and wtf would u mount your nvg to your optic... If u got nvg just get a ir laser and u point and shoot. The H2 has like triple or double the dot brightness selectionslike 9 or 12 I don't remember, so it gets brighter and more selections in between. And only goes like 10-20m deep (30-60') so get the H2 they are cheaper also.
Edit 2: also just no the battery life on the aimpoint are outstanding like 2-4years on medium power. I keep mine on medium and keep a spare taped inside buttstock. I have not replaced the battery in about 2 years it's about time. But I have never turned it off or had to turn the brightness up when shooting either.
2. MRO
3. Eotech (think about battery you have the most and get that one)
1. Leopold ultra light (my next buy)
2. Lightest Vortex variable.
3. Trijicon variable, accupoint or vcog. (They are heavy af but maybe number 1 if your ok with carrying a brick)
1. acog is probably only fix magnification I like. ( I would get a acog b4 a reddot if I'm going to be using magnification all the time bc it has a bullet drop and the reddots/eotechs don't)
Now my favorite iron sights are with out a doubt those diamond sights u just line the boxes in from and back up way WAY easier for me to sight these in with half the ammo then the traditional ring or u sights. It's just easier for me to replicate sight picture and takes the thinking out of it for me at least.
Edit 1: if u want the aimpoint micro I highly recommend the H2 not the T2. The only thing the T2 does is can go 50m under water (150') and only has like 3-4 brightness levels, the other brightness levels are to attach NVG, and wtf would u mount your nvg to your optic... If u got nvg just get a ir laser and u point and shoot. The H2 has like triple or double the dot brightness selectionslike 9 or 12 I don't remember, so it gets brighter and more selections in between. And only goes like 10-20m deep (30-60') so get the H2 they are cheaper also.
Edit 2: also just no the battery life on the aimpoint are outstanding like 2-4years on medium power. I keep mine on medium and keep a spare taped inside buttstock. I have not replaced the battery in about 2 years it's about time. But I have never turned it off or had to turn the brightness up when shooting either.
This post was edited on 9/8/21 at 6:40 pm
Posted on 9/8/21 at 7:20 pm to jlovel7
Holographic sights on the .300BLK shorty. It is unbeatable for quick acquisition in a CQB/PDW role. Put doughnut of death on target. Deliver. It's also pricey, so it might not be an option, but goddamn is it a nice piece of equipment. The one drawback to them, at least on the EOTechs is that they're designed for soldiers on the go and they're power pigs. There is no shake to wake feature on them so they don't constantly drain as a soldier moves around with his rifle all day. They're pushbutton on with a timed shutoff so all the soldier has to do if shite gets real is hit that button and they're in the fight. As far as I know, EOTech and Vortex make the only holographic sights on the market.
A close second for that kind of weapon is a red dot. Their battery lives are measured in the tens of thousands of hours, so they almost all come with shake to wake ability, but their acquisition speed isn't the same as a holographic sight. They're close, though. The shake to wake feature may put these slightly above a holographic sight if you consider that there's one less thing to do at 3 am if someone kicks in your door. Either the RDS or the holographic is going to reliably let you hit minute-of-man accuracy out to 100-200 yards if you do your part correctly. That reticle on the holographics, though... (does the French chef finger kiss thing)
I would 100% skip any sort of flip up magnifier. I have one and have used it once. I find them heavy, all that weight is up high and they unbalance the rifle when they're flipped out of the way, and I think they present no real benefit paired with the types of sights they're sold to work with. Those magnifiers are marketing bullshite to convince you that the red dot or holographic can let you hit targets 3-400 yards out just as well as a scope can, but that's 100% not what those types of optics were designed from the ground up to do. Magnifiers make the weapon system perform worse on the whole while making it perform mediocre at best in the additional role.
Instead, if you want magnification for an all around SHTF weapon, I'd go with a 1-6x Low Power Variable Optic on a rifle or carbine length 5.56. You can adjust the magnification so it's still useful close in (but not as useful as an RDS or holographic on a shorty) but can still get you out to 3-400 yards when you dial the magnification in, MUCH farther than a holographic or RDS will reliably get you. Plus, a modern scope is likely going to have a bullet drop compensator reticle (versus your grandpa's crosshairs) that are going to let you deal with windage and range estimation MUCH better than a ring and a dot can.
So, those are my free thoughts and they're worth every penny. I run a .300BLK shorty with an EOTech as my "shite gets squirrelly at 3am" weapon and have a 5.56 carbine with a LPVO in case the zombie apocalypse comes. Two very different calibers, two very different optics systems, and two very different roles.
A close second for that kind of weapon is a red dot. Their battery lives are measured in the tens of thousands of hours, so they almost all come with shake to wake ability, but their acquisition speed isn't the same as a holographic sight. They're close, though. The shake to wake feature may put these slightly above a holographic sight if you consider that there's one less thing to do at 3 am if someone kicks in your door. Either the RDS or the holographic is going to reliably let you hit minute-of-man accuracy out to 100-200 yards if you do your part correctly. That reticle on the holographics, though... (does the French chef finger kiss thing)
I would 100% skip any sort of flip up magnifier. I have one and have used it once. I find them heavy, all that weight is up high and they unbalance the rifle when they're flipped out of the way, and I think they present no real benefit paired with the types of sights they're sold to work with. Those magnifiers are marketing bullshite to convince you that the red dot or holographic can let you hit targets 3-400 yards out just as well as a scope can, but that's 100% not what those types of optics were designed from the ground up to do. Magnifiers make the weapon system perform worse on the whole while making it perform mediocre at best in the additional role.
Instead, if you want magnification for an all around SHTF weapon, I'd go with a 1-6x Low Power Variable Optic on a rifle or carbine length 5.56. You can adjust the magnification so it's still useful close in (but not as useful as an RDS or holographic on a shorty) but can still get you out to 3-400 yards when you dial the magnification in, MUCH farther than a holographic or RDS will reliably get you. Plus, a modern scope is likely going to have a bullet drop compensator reticle (versus your grandpa's crosshairs) that are going to let you deal with windage and range estimation MUCH better than a ring and a dot can.
So, those are my free thoughts and they're worth every penny. I run a .300BLK shorty with an EOTech as my "shite gets squirrelly at 3am" weapon and have a 5.56 carbine with a LPVO in case the zombie apocalypse comes. Two very different calibers, two very different optics systems, and two very different roles.
This post was edited on 9/8/21 at 7:54 pm
Posted on 9/8/21 at 7:34 pm to jlovel7
I have an eotech and a holosun 512 and much prefer the holosun. Better battery life, clearer reticle, shake to wake all in about the same weight. Also, it’s $200 less even though I’d prefer even if the cost was equal.
This post was edited on 9/8/21 at 7:34 pm
Posted on 9/8/21 at 8:20 pm to jlovel7
I like prism sights and LVPO's. Full disclosure, I have an astigmatism and MOST red dots give me fits under at least some conditions. I can see an aimpoint fine out in the sun, cloudy, shady or indoors I see 5 dots. I can see trijicon fine in any condition, they are just pricy but VERY good.
The Swamp Fox arrowhead is an amazing LVPO for the price, street use to be under $400, I imagine it is probably a little more due to covid. It easily is as clear as optics 2-3X the price.
The Swamp Fox arrowhead is an amazing LVPO for the price, street use to be under $400, I imagine it is probably a little more due to covid. It easily is as clear as optics 2-3X the price.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 10:01 pm to jlovel7
BTW, you're giving mixed indications on what you want it to do.
Technically I guess any good optic can make you more accurate, but the best solution for home defense isn't going to be the best solution for reaching out further. If you'll decide what your priority is you'll get a better solution.
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If someone breaks in Im grabbing my 300BO because it’s way more maneuverable with an 8” barrel than my other rifles.
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would like to be able to reach out further or more accurately than with my iron sites
Technically I guess any good optic can make you more accurate, but the best solution for home defense isn't going to be the best solution for reaching out further. If you'll decide what your priority is you'll get a better solution.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 10:21 pm to Flats
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BTW, you're giving mixed indications on what you want it to do.
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If someone breaks in Im grabbing my 300BO because it’s way more maneuverable with an 8” barrel than my other rifles.
quote:
would like to be able to reach out further or more accurately than with my iron sites
Technically I guess any good optic can make you more accurate, but the best solution for home defense isn't going to be the best solution for reaching out further. If you'll decide what your priority is you'll get a better solution.
300 BO primary targets would be home invaders. Other rifles would be longer ranges. I think I’m going to look at LPVOs for those.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 11:10 pm to jlovel7
Sig Romeo 5. Just over $100. Shake awake and good optics. Love it on my 300BO
Posted on 9/9/21 at 6:41 am to jlovel7
quote:Don't buy a "just as good" optic for this. It has to work and stay zeroed. Aimpoint, Trijicon or EOTech. If you choose the EOTech, change the battery every year on the same day.
300 BO primary targets would be home invaders
Posted on 9/9/21 at 8:04 am to Louie
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Sig Romeo 5. Just over $100. Shake awake and good optics.
This. I'm not sure why someone would spend more on a red dot
Posted on 9/9/21 at 8:09 am to LoneStarTiger
That is a badass scope for the money. I wouldn’t spend more unless I was looking to shoot further out for hunting purposes hogs, but our hog hole is deep in the woods. 25 yard shot max.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 8:13 am to Louie
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I wouldn’t spend more unless I was looking to shoot further out for hunting purposes hogs, but our hog hole is deep in the woods. 25 yard shot max.
I ended up going with the MSR and out to 100 that thing is money
Posted on 9/9/21 at 8:39 am to jlovel7
I have an extra red dot Holosun with flip to side magnifier setup if you're interested. It could work for either 300BO or 5.56.
This was a great setup for short and medium range shooting, but I'm doing more long range shooting now. The red dot has the ACSS BDC reticle which makes the medium range holdovers very simple.
This was a great setup for short and medium range shooting, but I'm doing more long range shooting now. The red dot has the ACSS BDC reticle which makes the medium range holdovers very simple.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 9:02 am to Louie
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Sig Romeo 5
x2
Alternatively the holosun HS403B, pretty much the same sight as the sig romeo 5
for home defense your longest shot may be 300 ft-ish? i'd go with a micro red dot and a good flashlight
Posted on 9/9/21 at 9:17 am to Pezzo
HOLOSUN - HS510C is what I went with for the 300BO. Seems to have good reviews and good options like different reticles, long battery life, quick release, and a solar panel in case of battery failure as a backup. Trying to space these purchases out so I will look into a LPVO in a few months maybe for my 5.56.
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