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re: Tony Vandemore just ripped my heart out...
Posted on 12/14/16 at 1:03 pm to ChadJones4Heisman
Posted on 12/14/16 at 1:03 pm to ChadJones4Heisman
I have a relative that was a guide on a really good property for a long time. He female BL that picked up around 900 birds a year for about 10 years. She was shy of 10,000 lifetime retrieves and was pretty legendary. She was worn out at 11 years old too. I'm not saying he is lying, but that is a HUGE number.
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Posted on 12/14/16 at 1:14 pm to gorillacoco
Not unbelievable at all. They start hunting Canada in October with liberal duck and goose limits and then have days of hundreds of snows through the spring. That dog hunted 6 months a year.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 1:15 pm to ChadJones4Heisman
Even better. We need to hurry up and book, CC
Posted on 12/14/16 at 1:33 pm to Redfish2010
Posted on 12/14/16 at 2:34 pm to gorillacoco
Do you realize how many retrieves a dog can make in a dry field?
Posted on 12/14/16 at 2:42 pm to DeltaDoc
My personal benchmark is to try and get my dog 100 ducks retrieved per season.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 3:23 pm to Larry Gooseman
Which is a great goal for us non-guides. That should equate to 1,000 lifetime retrieves...which is probably more that 90% of duck dogs in reality.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 3:41 pm to CajunCommander
That gif is awesome 
. And who the hell is down voting everyone in this thread?
34venture, I'll admit I've never been on a dry field hunt. Maybe I'm totally wrong, but 25000 is just so incredibly high it doesn't seem possible to me.
You'd have to kill 100 geese 10 times and then kill 18 birds per day every day of a 60 day season and have one dog pick up every one of those birds, and do this 12 years in a row without a hitch to get to 25K birds. And apparently this dude works another job in an office somewhere according to the video. It's hard to not be skeptical.
. And who the hell is down voting everyone in this thread? 34venture, I'll admit I've never been on a dry field hunt. Maybe I'm totally wrong, but 25000 is just so incredibly high it doesn't seem possible to me.
You'd have to kill 100 geese 10 times and then kill 18 birds per day every day of a 60 day season and have one dog pick up every one of those birds, and do this 12 years in a row without a hitch to get to 25K birds. And apparently this dude works another job in an office somewhere according to the video. It's hard to not be skeptical.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 4:01 pm to gorillacoco
His othe job is farming and preparing the other 6 months of the year.
That being said, you should watch some videos of their snow goose hunts. It's ridiculous.
But a typical canada day could see 50+ retrieves. Isn't it like 8 ducks and 8 geese per person?
That being said, you should watch some videos of their snow goose hunts. It's ridiculous.
But a typical canada day could see 50+ retrieves. Isn't it like 8 ducks and 8 geese per person?
Posted on 12/14/16 at 4:06 pm to gorillacoco
They kill more than 18 ducks a day...
Posted on 12/14/16 at 4:12 pm to Redfish2010
The goal for a 5 man hunt is 40geese/40ducks
This post was edited on 12/14/16 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 12/14/16 at 4:13 pm to reds on reds on reds
Maybe he's counting hunt tests? Maybe doves, pigeons, crows, black birds, training, etc. Dog had a good life, those lives are just too short. I've got a 9y/o with hip and shoulder problems currently. He won't fetch a biscuit but he's my boy anyway.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 4:49 pm to gorillacoco
Ok, I give up. Y'all win.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 4:50 pm to gorillacoco
Just google habitat flats and you can see why it's very possible
Posted on 12/14/16 at 9:15 pm to Ron Cheramie
Jesus my dog has picked up over 90 already this season. Back when I was hunting the big blinds for old company, dog would pick up 36 or more a hunt. And then go chase cripples at other blinds. With big operations, they add up quick
Posted on 12/14/16 at 9:44 pm to Capt ST
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Back when I was hunting the big blinds for old company, dog would pick up 36 or more a hunt. And then go chase cripples at other blinds. With big operations, they add up quick
Well damn. Apparently my public land arse needs to go hunt on some of these big managed leases and see some 5-6 man limits get killed every day. I can't fathom seeing 2000 birds get killed in one year, much less 12 years in a row. I read a little on his website and it does look like if someone were to do it it'd be him. Still sounds like a stretch to me but if you guys say so. I am admittedly still a noob duck hunter and I haven't hunted a lease except for a couple of times in my life, much less the kind of property he manages.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 9:54 pm to gorillacoco
Yeah, Habitat Flats is pretty much the premier hunting operation in the US. He started off in the Golden Triangle in Missouri and has since expanded to Saskatchewan, Kansas, and Arkansas. I bet its awesome, but at $775 a night I think I'll pass.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 12:26 am to PapaPogey
can somebody explain to me the economics on how these guides make money? I mean they have huge leases and lodges, and they technically only work 60 days a year. My best calculation on it is that if he averages 10 guys a day at the lodge for 60 days, at 1200 a day, thats 720,000. pay taxes, pay for the lease and your lodge and I'd guess you come out with like 150000? Idk
Posted on 12/15/16 at 7:15 am to boatless2
I think that dude manages property for a large number of clients, which would include a lot of land that is leased to other people. And there is some serious money in duck hunting if you want to talk about private, managed leases. People easily pay 10K per yr for a good blind. Easily. Part of that money goes to the manager of the land. I'll bet he makes most of his money from being paid to manage land, rather than the clients he actually guides for. He also doesn't own any of the property (or not much of it) in all likelihood. And the landowners make money off of farming as well as selling leases and guided hunts on their land.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 8:50 am to boatless2
In just his Missouri lodge alone he has a waiting list over 100 groups. He runs 24 guys every day through that place for $2250 per person. That equals $1,080,000 for 60 days of duck season. You add snow goose hunts, deer hunts, turkey hunts, dove hunts, teals hunts, plus his lodges in Sask and KS and he does pretty well. He and his partners own most of what they hunt in MO.
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