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re: Semi auto's (AR's,AK's similiar weapons) purchase changes needed?
Posted on 2/16/18 at 5:35 am to Chad504boy
Posted on 2/16/18 at 5:35 am to Chad504boy
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our country accepts the 18 year old's judgement to sign up for service and go die for our country yet their judgement can't be trusted in a rifle that will be handed to them going to war?
Playing devils advocate here-as I don’t agree with the OP, but military members receive arms training in boot camp, and after, that teaches them respect for the firearm, and other weapons systems, and respect for those around them when handling it, and Uncle Sam owns those weapons and keeps them locked up until when they’re ready to be used.
So by joining the military, 18 year olds aren’t automatically unleashed into the world with an AR... or a tank, or an Apache helicopter, or a MANPAD, or a SAW, or grenades...
And this is the same argument made about drinking alcohol, but it hasn’t stopped the drinking age in all states to be raised to 21.
Maybe high schools should require mandatory firearms safety training for all students. But the wailing and gnashing of teeth from anti-2nd Amendment ninnies would then be,”they’re training children to use guns!!!”
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 9:34 am
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Posted on 2/16/18 at 6:02 am to ChatRabbit77
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forgot to mention, when these shootings happen we finally get to see who supports gun rights and defend them when it's the most difficult to defend. I love watching OBers who are previously "pro gun" willing to give up their rights. Very telling of their true positions and lack of critical thinking.
The right to bear arms, the right to frees speech and the right to privacy are God given, are absolute and cannot be taken away by any government. You loose the @A right you will loose the rest.
Those that would take away or restrict your right to bear arms do not do it for safety but for control.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 6:16 am to AUTimbo
there is no legislation that will prevent crazy people from murdering others.
If they are intent on doing harm they will find a way. You can find ways to build bombs and explosives on the internet.
The UK has banned all kind of weapons and it hasn’t done anything to curb violence.
If they are intent on doing harm they will find a way. You can find ways to build bombs and explosives on the internet.
The UK has banned all kind of weapons and it hasn’t done anything to curb violence.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 7:46 am to Capital Cajun
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there is no legislation that will prevent crazy people from murdering others.
If there was an assault weapon ban during the time Columbine happened they wouldn't have been able to get their AR15s so it would have never happened.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 7:47 am to AUTimbo
what did the VPI and Columbine shooters use....
Wait till one of these fricks goes in with a shotgun with an extended tube mag and speed loaders with buck shot...... then what...
secure schools... it is that simple.. and enfore the existing laws.
Wait till one of these fricks goes in with a shotgun with an extended tube mag and speed loaders with buck shot...... then what...
secure schools... it is that simple.. and enfore the existing laws.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 8:11 am to AUTimbo
I'm about as pro-gun as anyone can get. But, the responses in this thread are exactly what is wrong with our politics today. The guy comes here with with an opinion that isn't completely outlandish (seems pretty conservative really) and presents it in a way that attacks no one. And just about every response is a sarcastic heated reaction (I didn't read past the first page, but I assume the thread continued the same).
And, trust me, I know the same thing would happen in reverse if anyone presented a reasonable pro-gun argument to the other side.
But, this is the problem. Everyone has picked teams and nobody can have a reasonable conversation. It's like Alabama and LSU fans discussing football. It's just attack mode all the time.
Now, to get back on topic, I think the key is to find WHY these mass killings are happening rather than what tool they use to do it. And, IF there's a way to ferret out these nut jobs before they can do this stuff, we need to figure out how. Apparently, there were plenty of signs about this latest kid that should have gotten him investigated. I like personal freedom to say stupid things, but maybe it's better that more of these people are reported and investigated before they start shooting children.
And, trust me, I know the same thing would happen in reverse if anyone presented a reasonable pro-gun argument to the other side.
But, this is the problem. Everyone has picked teams and nobody can have a reasonable conversation. It's like Alabama and LSU fans discussing football. It's just attack mode all the time.
Now, to get back on topic, I think the key is to find WHY these mass killings are happening rather than what tool they use to do it. And, IF there's a way to ferret out these nut jobs before they can do this stuff, we need to figure out how. Apparently, there were plenty of signs about this latest kid that should have gotten him investigated. I like personal freedom to say stupid things, but maybe it's better that more of these people are reported and investigated before they start shooting children.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 8:13 am to DownSouthJukin
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high schools should require mandatory firearms safety training for all students
I actually think if Riflery was added back to the list of school activities ( there used to be rifle teams), and maybe if shooting was taught in PE w air guns or something it may actually help.
Not that it would ever happen
Posted on 2/16/18 at 8:52 am to Teague
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I'm about as pro-gun as anyone can get. But, the responses in this thread are exactly what is wrong with our politics today. The guy comes here with with an opinion that isn't completely outlandish (seems pretty conservative really) and presents it in a way that attacks no one. And just about every response is a sarcastic heated reaction (I didn't read past the first page, but I assume the thread continued the same).
You should have kept reading then.
Let me spell this out very clearly for you "I'm pro-gun but..." clowns: there is NO compromise on gun-control anymore. NONE. "Compromise" got us the 1986 GCA amendments and the 1994 AWB. If you don't understand why the OP is getting the responses he's earning then you don't know the history of gun-control nearly as well as you should as a gun owner.
There is a term for folks like the OP: Fudd.
Don't be a Fudd.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 9:13 am to Teague
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And just about every response is a sarcastic heated reaction (I didn't read past the first page, but I assume the thread continued the same).
My reply was that semi automatic technology is over 100 years old and is the functionality of about 95% of the guns in circulation today. Cho was able to kill 32 at Virginia Tech with semi automatic handguns AND 10 round magazines. One of his guns was a Walther P22 for Christ's sake.
So I disagree with the OP that it would've made a difference if he couldn't have legally bought a semi auto rifle. He could've easily picked up one from somewhere else.
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I think the key is to find WHY these mass killings are happening rather than what tool they use to do it.
And that's what most of the reasonable responses to this have been asking. Availability of firearms isn't the issue since you could buy then at hardware stores with no background check many years ago. The gun used isn't really important since the vast majority of firearms are semi automatic. And I don't think preventing him from buying a semi automatic would've mattered much.
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Apparently, there were plenty of signs about this latest kid that should have gotten him investigated.
He posted "I want to be a professional school shooter" on a YouTube video and the guy reported it. FBI did nothing. Then he found another video of someone randomly killing people and said "I want to do this one day." His social media and his anti-social behavior also were good indicators. Even numerous students they interviewed said, "We always joked that if anyone was going to shoot up the school that it would be him."
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People who said he gave no indication that he had some sick thoughts in his head are either blind or completely inept. Regardless none of these signs prevented it unfortunately.
Almost all of these school shooters came from broken homes and were raised by single mothers. A lack of fatherhood, a nationwide drop in testosterone, and general social dysfunction likely all play a part in these incidents.
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 9:16 am
Posted on 2/16/18 at 9:14 am to RATeamWannabe
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Two sarcastic replies and absolutely nothing of value to add to the conversation.
Good talk.
That was not a sarcastic response whatsoever. You don't have to choose to go in the army to recognize the type of decision in life that the country is willingly accepting the maturity and magnitude of their decision. It's hypocritical to say they are mature enough in life to own a rifle in war but not at home. Get off your high horse.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 9:29 am to bapple
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A lack of fatherhood, a nationwide drop in testosterone, and general social dysfunction likely all play a part in these incidents.
The social dysfunction is what I believe is the major issue with the world today. Social media has ruined the way people interact with each other, and it makes every kid believe the world should revolve around them.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 9:32 am to jdavid1
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and it makes every kid believe the world should revolve around them.
Instagram has created a whole generation of narcissists.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 9:37 am to choupiquesushi
quote:I couldn't agree more. If we can keep guns out of courtrooms and airplanes, surely to god we can keep some psychopath from bringing one into our schools.
secure schools... it is that simple.. and enforce the existing laws.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 9:47 am to Vlad
If we would secure the schools it would put a stop to this. Unfortunately right now we are in a time where these psychopaths are being glorified by the media. They are mostly kids looking for attention or that "I'll show you" mentality. They go to these schools because they are easy targets, and they can do the most damage without fear of anybody stopping them.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:17 am to Capital Cajun
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there is no legislation that will prevent crazy people from murdering others.
That is the correct answer. You give up guns you give up freedom. Russians had guns before the Soviet Union. After the bolsheviks took power they told the Russian citizens to give up their guns and nothing would happen to them. The Russians gave up their guns, then the slaughtering happened.
End gun free zones. When you wait for cops to stop a murderer more people die. If a kid wants to kill a lot of people and has no gun it would just use a car and run them over. If someone actually wants to kill people they will until they are put down.
If you want change then you need to change the culture.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:48 pm to Propagandalf
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Not to mention the fact you think you can solve the issue by banning a particular gun shows how simple you are.
Hey DA, I never stated banning anything. I brought up an honest question as to whether maybe delaying the ability of purchasing a semi-auto long gun should be moved from 18 to 21 yrs of age.
Reading comprehension....Learn it, Know it, Live it.
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 2/16/18 at 2:45 pm to AUTimbo
I'll leave this right here:
Posted on 2/16/18 at 2:59 pm to Propagandalf
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Propagandalf
AUTimbo right now
Posted on 2/16/18 at 5:02 pm to ChatRabbit77
Funny I didn't see the word delay in all that...hmmmm...
dramatize much?
dramatize much?
Posted on 2/16/18 at 5:27 pm to AUTimbo
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Funny I didn't see the word delay in all that...hmmmm...
dramatize much?
You can call it what you want, but so you understand what everyone else hears...you are proposing prohibiting 18-20 year olds from purchasing a semi-auto rifle. Because if you're not prohibited, well then you're allowed to.
So let's say you "delay" the AR15 and other spooky looking rifles. What's keeping them from going out and buying a Mini-14 (wood stock so not scary looking). So, then you probably want to "delay" all semi-auto rifles. THen they just go out buy a Glock 17 with some 30 roun extendo clipz, a Saiga 12, KSG, etc. or instead of shooting up their highschool maybe they wait the 3 year "delay" out and shoot up their College or workplace.
Do you realize how nonsensical your proposed solution sounds to people who have the ability to apply logic instead of acting on feeling?
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