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re: Semi auto's (AR's,AK's similiar weapons) purchase changes needed?
Posted on 2/15/18 at 5:04 pm to bapple
Posted on 2/15/18 at 5:04 pm to bapple
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So obviously the problem isn't access to guns right? There has to be another reason for the CAUSE of this kind of thinking.
IMO, we as a society have done several things that have contributed to this type of issue.
1) We have elevated feelings to the top of the chain as far as importance, not accomplishments, duties,etc. If you feel slighted, it is someone elses fault, etc.
2)Society in general wants to see action and overt anger in response to perceived slights. Look at how popular the argue-type shows are. Every reality show has everyone in red-faced rages when they are upset. If you don't respond with outrage to every slight, you are not to be respected. Heck, look at the Rant and how often people say they want a coach to 'yell' and 'get in someone's face', as if to say that those are the only ways that a person can deal with an issue. No one admires the guy that can diffuse a situation with calmness.
3) We have given THE GUN a talisman-like power at the same time (and probably partially because) as we have huge segments of the population who are totally unfamiliar with a gun, what it does, how it works, etc.
So, now we have a kid with feelings of inadequacy, who blames the world for how he feels and for how he isn't what he wants to be. He has been bombarded with images of how strong folks respond by pushing back, hard, against those that stand against them. He is aware of this powerful device that will make the world bend to his wishes. Although he knows he will likely die, he will go out with power and glory. Of course, this isn't a completely stable person mentally so he doesn't see the issue like someone more stable would.
So, he shoots up a school or movie theater or whatever.
Why is it when guns were more common in daily life ( I don't mean more numerous, just more common-- shotguns and rifles in the back of trucks/cars at school etc) were these events less common? Hell, 2 kids could have a fight at school, and one or both could have a gun in the truck, but neither would dream of going to get it ?
When we can answer that question we will be getting somewhere.
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 5:05 pm
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Posted on 2/15/18 at 5:29 pm to yallallcrazy
Your take sounds a lot like Aaron Clarey's opinion (one of my favorite YouTubers):
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Although his stems more around the lack of fathers telling their sons how to channel their masculine energy and that they aren't entitled to everything, I think examining the participation trophy generation wouldn't be a bad start to try and get some information.
That's one aspect that's largely ignored from the past. My dad mentioned to me recently that hardware stores used to sell firearms with no problems whatsoever. And in the early 90s he had his own FFL so he could have hunting rifles shipped directly to his house. Obviously now things have changed quite a bit.
I also think the constant 24/7 news behind these events drives more people to do it. But the upside of the 24/7 coverage is that people are sick of the bias.
Gun ownership has made a monumental shift since 2012 with Sandy Hook. That was the best time as any to push gun control and they were unable to do it. It shows that people aren't buying the crap stories anymore and they are starting to rely on themselves for their personal security. I'm all for that.
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Although his stems more around the lack of fathers telling their sons how to channel their masculine energy and that they aren't entitled to everything, I think examining the participation trophy generation wouldn't be a bad start to try and get some information.
quote:
Why is it when guns were more common in daily life ( I don't mean more numerous, just more common-- shotguns and rifles in the back of trucks/cars at school etc) were these events less common? Hell, 2 kids could have a fight at school, and one or both could have a gun in the truck, but neither would dream of going to get it ?
That's one aspect that's largely ignored from the past. My dad mentioned to me recently that hardware stores used to sell firearms with no problems whatsoever. And in the early 90s he had his own FFL so he could have hunting rifles shipped directly to his house. Obviously now things have changed quite a bit.
I also think the constant 24/7 news behind these events drives more people to do it. But the upside of the 24/7 coverage is that people are sick of the bias.
Gun ownership has made a monumental shift since 2012 with Sandy Hook. That was the best time as any to push gun control and they were unable to do it. It shows that people aren't buying the crap stories anymore and they are starting to rely on themselves for their personal security. I'm all for that.
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 5:31 pm
Posted on 2/15/18 at 6:34 pm to bapple
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Gun ownership has made a monumental shift since 2012 with Sandy Hook. That was the best time as any to push gun control and they were unable to do it. It shows that people aren't buying the crap stories anymore and they are starting to rely on themselves for their personal security. I'm all for that.
I don't think this is a good indicator it will not happen. The way I look at it, there is eventually going to be, at the least, another national Assault Weapons Ban in my lifetime. Its goin to be able to happen because of right-winged "pro-2A-ers", like the OP, shifting sides out of fear. They either think guns are safe in their hands, but scary in stranger's or they justify gun owership having to be associated with a "need". Look no furhter than the OB, which I believe is heavily slanted to the right with the majority owning at least one gun, as a case study. Every time a mass shooting happens you have more people on this board backing restrictions and rationalizing it as "common sense" while maintaining that they are in fact still pro 2A. When in reality their proposed solution or acceptable compromise lacks any real logic. Couple that with hunters who will only activate when they come for hunting guns and you can see that our base is shrinking and those who are adamant about infringing 2A will eventually get their votes.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:02 pm to AUTimbo
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Should we be looking at legislation...
frick. No.
/discussion
Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:15 pm to AUTimbo
What can you do to get us AK's for $100 like isis can but in Kabul?
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:03 pm to Chad504boy
Wasn’t meant to be cute? Why should people that sit out claim anything that falls on the shoulders of those that actually go to war?
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:22 pm to RATeamWannabe
Anyone can point out hypocrisies in life.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:31 pm to Chad504boy
quote:do you suggest basic training for firearms purchases? If so I’m on board
our country accepts the 18 year old's judgement to sign up for service and go die for our country yet their judgement can't be trusted in a rifle that will be handed to them going to war?
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:38 pm to Propagandalf
quote:the second amendment was based on need
they justify gun owership having to be associated with a "need".
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:46 pm to Propagandalf
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Its goin to be able to happen because of right-winged "pro-2A-ers", like the OP, shifting sides out of fear. They either think guns are safe in their hands, but scary in stranger's or they justify gun owership having to be associated with a "need". Look no furhter than the OB, which I believe is heavily slanted to the right with the majority owning at least one gun, as a case study.
horseshite
I've probably owned more guns, of different types, long before you ever swam out of your Pops nutsack. Don't mistake a logical question on this issue with fear in any way, shape or form.
Just because your scared shitless of any kind of smart, well-thought out revision to the current legislation, don't deflect and present it as so-called fear on others parts. Your fears of not being able to purchase a bump-fire stock in the future doesn't mean that there are those of us out there who both support the 2A but also understand that with the f-d up world we live in, maybe just a crumb of common sense might possibly save some lives in the future. If you don't agree with this, fine. Your entitled to your opinion. But choose wisely, if possible, what or who you want to identify as the real "enemy" here.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:46 pm to ChatRabbit77
quote:so, do you believe any regulations should be in place regarding gun ownership or carry rights? If your statement is true above you can’t support any regulations. If you do support some regulations your statement is quite melodramatic
forgot to mention, when these shootings happen we finally get to see who supports gun rights and defend them when it's the most difficult to defend. I love watching OBers who are previously "pro gun" willing to give up their rights. Very telling of their true positions and lack of critical thinking.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:51 pm to tigerfoot
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so, do you believe any regulations should be in place regarding gun ownership or carry rights?
Nope.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:53 pm to ChatRabbit77
Mental health, age, felons? Anything?
Airplanes? Courthouses?
Airplanes? Courthouses?
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 9:56 pm
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:55 pm to AUTimbo
quote:
Just because your scared shitless of any kind of smart, well-thought out revision to the current legislation, don't deflect and present it as so-called fear on others parts.
Don't flatter yourself.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:00 pm to tigerfoot
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Mental health, age, felons? Anything?
1. Who determines mental health? I am only worried about people who are actively dangerous and threatening.
2. Not worried about age either. Age is arbitrary to an extent. Most kids aren't walking around with guns and I am certain that wouldn't change with a reduction in age of purchase. Just because something is legal doesn't mean people will do it and vice-versa.
3. Felons have served their time. They deserve to have their rights back. There is no point of prison if you don't get re-integrated.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:00 pm to tigerfoot
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do you suggest basic training for firearms purchases? If so I’m on board
If this happens, we will also need to implement basic civics tests for voting rights as well. Because communism is more deadly.
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 10:01 pm
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:02 pm to Junky
Ok
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:03 pm to tigerfoot
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Airplanes? Courthouses?
Up to the airline company.
You should be able to carry in any government place imo. Just because there is a law against it doesn't mean people won't shoot it up anyways. I don't care if private businesses ban it but government buildings should allow it.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:04 pm to Chad504boy
Two sarcastic replies and absolutely nothing of value to add to the conversation.
Good talk.
Good talk.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:52 pm to AUTimbo
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horseshite
Easy there internet tough guy. It's ok to be scared, I know some rifles wook scarwy. I have no interest in trying to persuade you as I know it's useless. I just wanted to call you out for claiming to be pro-2A while at the same time suggesting infringement. It does not matter how old or senile you are or how many guns you own. It's how you place your vote and the agenda you subscribe to. You are the worst kind of gun owner, a cancer to the cause. Not to mention the fact you think you can solve the issue by banning a particular gun shows how simple you are.
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