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re: Semi auto's (AR's,AK's similiar weapons) purchase changes needed?
Posted on 2/15/18 at 3:30 pm to kengel2
Posted on 2/15/18 at 3:30 pm to kengel2
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It's be to hard to come up with a firearm definition to limit those types
Posted this on the OT. Too many people simply don't know how ubiquitous semi-automatic actions are in the type of guns they think are OK. They only know that ARs are semiauto so that has to be bad.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 3:33 pm to Chad504boy
It's called choice.
Rather new concept...don't join a gang, participate in drive-by's and you get to live a much longer life.
And gangs,thugs,etc, are not limited by race. Just IQ points. I would have assumed you knew this already.
Rather new concept...don't join a gang, participate in drive-by's and you get to live a much longer life.
And gangs,thugs,etc, are not limited by race. Just IQ points. I would have assumed you knew this already.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 3:37 pm to AUTimbo
You need to be more logically consistent.
You just disproved your entire point right there. So obviously the problem isn't access to guns right? There has to be another reason for the CAUSE of this kind of thinking.
Instituting an armed teachers program would be much more effective at stopping these incidents. Would it stop the psychotic thinking that leads to this? Maybe not but if the next kid that tried this got taken down quickly it would start turning the tide the other way. The psychos would realize that taking their plan to this level would be foolish. Then we can get some real solutions to depression and isolation and other social dysfunction.
There's a reason that barely any plane hijackings happen anymore - people don't put up with it and fight back immediately.
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I drove to HS with a shotgun in the back window of my truck, every day, as did many others in my HS. We hunted, we fished...we were taught gun safety and right from wrong... WE didn't need this change to gun purchasing rights because WE didn't fricking go grabbing a gun and blowing people away because we had a bad day at school or someone rubbed us the wrong way.
You just disproved your entire point right there. So obviously the problem isn't access to guns right? There has to be another reason for the CAUSE of this kind of thinking.
Instituting an armed teachers program would be much more effective at stopping these incidents. Would it stop the psychotic thinking that leads to this? Maybe not but if the next kid that tried this got taken down quickly it would start turning the tide the other way. The psychos would realize that taking their plan to this level would be foolish. Then we can get some real solutions to depression and isolation and other social dysfunction.
There's a reason that barely any plane hijackings happen anymore - people don't put up with it and fight back immediately.
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 2/15/18 at 3:38 pm to AUTimbo
So by your logic we should make the legal age to purchase a semi-automatic rifle to 66 years old because the Vegas shooter(Stephen Paddock) was 64 and obviously people that age aren't mentally capable to own an AR-15. Yea okay bud.....
Posted on 2/15/18 at 3:39 pm to AUTimbo
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I am not for conceeding ANYTHING
Proceeds to support more regulation.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 3:40 pm to AUTimbo
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It's called choice.
Rather new concept...don't join a gang, participate in drive-by's and you get to live a much longer life.
And gangs,thugs,etc, are not limited by race. Just IQ points. I would have assumed you knew this already.
this kid chose to be a white nationalist in the republic of florida. i think you had honest intentions but you aren't very good at this internet thing.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 3:44 pm to Chad504boy
I forgot to mention, when these shootings happen we finally get to see who supports gun rights and defend them when it's the most difficult to defend. I love watching OBers who are previously "pro gun" willing to give up their rights. Very telling of their true positions and lack of critical thinking.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 3:46 pm to Chad504boy
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our country accepts the 18 year old's judgement to sign up for service and go die for our country yet their judgement can't be trusted in a rifle that will be handed to them going to war?
Word!
Posted on 2/15/18 at 3:52 pm to Chad504boy
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this kid chose to be a white nationalist in the republic of florida.
I am extremely skeptical of this. It's the exact narrative the media wants us to hear so I'm holding my breath until the facts come out.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 4:09 pm to bapple
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It's the exact narrative the media wants us to hear
The media has yet to report on his affiliation with any white nationalist group...?
And that's the exact narrative the media will try to cover up, judging by the last 2 years of MSM.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 4:26 pm to Chad504boy
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this kid chose to be a white nationalist in the republic of florida.
So he was not only mentally challenged, but a DA as well.
And this was reported by the media, so I wouldn't exactly go around shouting this verbatim until the truth comes out, if it ever does.
But the word chose is a good point here. He chose to join a white nationalist group, he chose to buy an AR at age 18, he chose to go back to a school he was expelled from and kill 17 innocents plus a number of wounded.
Which one of these "choices" did we, as a society, have a choice in?
Correct...his choice too purchase an AR at 18 yrs of age
Posted on 2/15/18 at 4:30 pm to TheBoo
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The media has yet to report on his affiliation with any white nationalist group...?
And that's the exact narrative the media will try to cover up, judging by the last 2 years of MSM.
Not sure what you mean by this.
If it's true he's associated with a white nationalist group, the media will trip over themselves trying to report it with lightning speed. Then they will try some way to connect it to Trump.
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AUtimbo
How is it that there are kids in inner cities committing crimes at 12-17 years of age? The guy can easily get a firearm elsewhere if he can't purchase one legally.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 4:32 pm to bapple
Bap I said in the OP I wasn't going to get into the whole mental health aspect of this issue. It was a given with this kid and the system is broken, in so many ways, I don't know where to start. Therefore I asked to keep this part of the discussion off the table in my OP.
And I am all for armed guards at schools. A common thread with most of these mass shootings is the the perps are usually cowards, which is why they choose places where guns are not allowed. They want to "be the man"...they don't want to get into a gunfight with someone armed and trained in fighting back with a weapon.
As for the poster who mentioned the Vegas nutcase, there are always outliers.
And I am all for armed guards at schools. A common thread with most of these mass shootings is the the perps are usually cowards, which is why they choose places where guns are not allowed. They want to "be the man"...they don't want to get into a gunfight with someone armed and trained in fighting back with a weapon.
As for the poster who mentioned the Vegas nutcase, there are always outliers.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 4:36 pm to AUTimbo
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Bap I said in the OP I wasn't going to get into the whole mental health aspect of this issue
I never mentioned mental health in my previous post. I said why are kids under 18 years of age able to obtain firearms? If they can get their hands on them then this kid easily could have as well.
EDIT: I see you replied to an earlier one.
While I didn't get too far into the weeds, what I was stating is that there's obviously another cause than availability and access of firearms. Your personal anecdote proves that.
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And I am all for armed guards at schools.
Like I stated previously, I think an armed teachers program with training done by law enforcement would be much more effective.
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A common thread with most of these mass shootings is the the perps are usually cowards, which is why they choose places where guns are not allowed. They want to "be the man"...they don't want to get into a gunfight with someone armed and trained in fighting back with a weapon.
You have my agreement there. That's why I'd rather an armed teachers program - they can counter the attack much quicker than law enforcement or a school guard. Once the perp encounters resistance he is much more likely to pop himself or move on.
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 2/15/18 at 4:40 pm to bapple
restricting my firearm purchasing is not going to make a crazy person stop doing crazy things
Posted on 2/15/18 at 4:40 pm to bapple
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How is it that there are kids in inner cities committing crimes at 12-17 years of age? The guy can easily get a firearm elsewhere if he can't purchase one legally.
Yes he could have probably found and bought a Glock or other handgun. Much less accurate and less powerful than a semi-auto long gun, which is what I started the thread about in the first place.
As far as 12-17 year olds getting them, you would have to talk with people who make it a habit to leave their loaded firearms in their unlocked vehicles at night. Then we could look at the fact that these 12-17 yr olds are not walking into schools and shooting dozens of innocents.They are too busy killing themselves for flashing signs at each other, which really doesn't bother me at all, as long as they are killing each other and not innocents. Probably a better discussion for their parents and their lack of proper upbringing. But We're not talking about that either
Posted on 2/15/18 at 4:58 pm to Chad504boy
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our country accepts the 18 year old's judgement to sign up for service and go die for our country yet their judgement can't be trusted in a rifle that will be handed to them going to war?
I hate this argument. The only people that should be able to make this argument are the ones that sign up for service or the ones drafted for service. Rest of the draft dodgers and those that want to sit the wars out can eat a dick and wait until they are 21 to drink and whatnot.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 5:00 pm to bapple
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Not sure what you mean by this.
My apologies. I seem to have my hate groups mixed up.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 5:02 pm to AUTimbo
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modification to existing gun purchases with respect to semi-automatic long guns form 18-21 years of age
Can a 20 year old buy a 10/22?
An SBE?
What about a Browning BAR in .308, or a Remington Woodsmaster in .243?
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