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Semi auto's (AR's,AK's similiar weapons) purchase changes needed?
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:20 pm
Throwing this out on the OB because many of us here are hunters, former military, LEO's etc... Should we be looking at legislation to modify gun buys to possibly not allow the semi-auto rifles such as AR's AK's, etc to be purchased by anyone under 21?
I know this Fla. kid was a mental nightmare, and had issues upon issues, so maybe him being able to legally purchase his AR wasn't the best possible scenario.
Many under the age of 21 are too volatile, too easily swayed by social media, etc. and let's face it, most teens don't reasonably start settling down a bit (mentally) till 21 or so.
I'm not saying don't allow teens over 18 to buy a hunting rifle/shotgun, but I imagine that these messed up kids could do far less damage with a bolt gun in this kind of situation than spraying and praying with an AR. (You get my drift)
Not going to get into the whole mental health aspect because that is a given in my book. Just looking at real-world modifications to maybe lessen the damage done when these teen nutcases go off.
Discuss....
I know this Fla. kid was a mental nightmare, and had issues upon issues, so maybe him being able to legally purchase his AR wasn't the best possible scenario.
Many under the age of 21 are too volatile, too easily swayed by social media, etc. and let's face it, most teens don't reasonably start settling down a bit (mentally) till 21 or so.
I'm not saying don't allow teens over 18 to buy a hunting rifle/shotgun, but I imagine that these messed up kids could do far less damage with a bolt gun in this kind of situation than spraying and praying with an AR. (You get my drift)
Not going to get into the whole mental health aspect because that is a given in my book. Just looking at real-world modifications to maybe lessen the damage done when these teen nutcases go off.
Discuss....
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Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:24 pm to AUTimbo
all the shooters are also male. they need to only sell to women.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:25 pm to AUTimbo
It's be to hard to come up with a firearm definition to limit those types to people over 21.
Just make the age 21 to buy a firearm period.
But that's not my solution, nor do I want that.
Just make the age 21 to buy a firearm period.
But that's not my solution, nor do I want that.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:25 pm to AUTimbo
Don't punish the majority because of the minority. It's just that simple. Stop with this suggestion of regulation.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:32 pm to ChatRabbit77
His proposition doesn't punish the majority though
I don't think at age 21 a crazy frick is any better than at 18 but whatever.
I don't think at age 21 a crazy frick is any better than at 18 but whatever.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:34 pm to AUTimbo
our country accepts the 18 year old's judgement to sign up for service and go die for our country yet their judgement can't be trusted in a rifle that will be handed to them going to war?
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:47 pm to AUTimbo
Rifles account for less than 5% of homicides. At least it would make you feel good about yourself.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:52 pm to Chad504boy
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our country accepts the 18 year old's judgement to sign up for service and go die for our country yet their judgement can't be trusted in a rifle that will be handed to them going to war?
fricking this!!
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:53 pm to civiltiger07
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Rifles account for less than 5% of homicides. At least it would make you feel good about yourself.
We're talking mass shootings here, not thug on thug crime.
Don't be a jackazz
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:55 pm to AUTimbo
The poliboard exists for a reason man. Come on.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:57 pm to Chad504boy
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our country accepts the 18 year old's judgement to sign up for service and go die for our country yet their judgement can't be trusted in a rifle that will be handed to them going to war?
I fully understand such as I was one of those teens myself to join. And yes, anyone in the military , under 21, with a clean record and clean mental bill of health could be exceptions. I'm alll for that. Just throwing out a topic to discuss, that's all.
For those that want to act the smartass and think I'm not a fully 2nd amendment guy you are welcome to help me dive into the currently 47 deg Lake Hartwell water to help me retrieve my AR's which were lost in a boating accident a few years back.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:59 pm to AUTimbo
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We're talking mass shootings here, not thug on thug crime.
What if the "No firearms allowed sign" was removed from school doors. One thing is for certain that these signs have been a complete failure.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:59 pm to 10MTNTiger
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Throwing this out on the OB because many of us here are hunters, former military, LEO's etc.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:59 pm to AUTimbo
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And yes, anyone in the military , under 21, with a clean record and clean mental bill of health could be exceptions. I'm alll for that. Just throwing out a topic to discuss, that's all.
why are 18 yr old's that choose to go to the military better mentally equipped to own an AR-15 rifle than a kid that chooses to go to college and not get shot at in a desert by terrorists?
Posted on 2/15/18 at 3:03 pm to AUTimbo
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our country accepts the 18 year old's judgement to sign up for service and go die for our country yet their judgement can't be trusted in a rifle that will be handed to them going to war?
Came to say the exact same thing. I also think it's absurd that you can fight for your country at 18 but can't buy a beer, but that's an argument for another day.
Semi automatic firearm technology is not some new thing. I posted this in my other post - semi automatic rifles date back over 100 years. About 95% (or higher) of modern firearms are semi automatic. They are also the best weapons for self defense - anything that makes a weapon better for self defense makes it a better choice for a mass shooter. The differentiating factor is the intent of the psychopath versus a law-abiding citizen.
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We're talking mass shootings here, not thug on thug crime.
Don't be a jackazz
The statistics take those numbers into account. Long guns still account for less than 5% of firearm homicides annually. It is a drop in the bucket compared to the inner city violence that happens every day.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 3:05 pm to AUTimbo
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For those that want to act the smartass and think I'm not a fully 2nd amendment guy you are welcome to help me dive into the currently 47 deg Lake Hartwell water to help me retrieve my AR's which were lost in a boating accident a few years back.
"I own guns so I am pro gun, but want to strip gun rights from others" does not prove you are a "fully 2nd Amendment guy".
Posted on 2/15/18 at 3:18 pm to bapple
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It is a drop in the bucket compared to the inner city violence that happens every day.
IDGAF about inner city gangbangers throwing rounds sideways out of a stolen Glock. I'm talking about the fricking kids who are too moody, on too many meds and have too many Grand Theft Auto gaming images going through their warped, YOUNG minds. These are the bastards that are walking into schools, theaters and such and mowing down innocents with SEMI-AUTO rifles that they shouldn't f-ng have in the first place.
Yes, it's shitty for Joe Blow. I have an 18 yr old that is in school now and would have to wait to get one until he was 21 if this was the deal. BFD.He can wait. It won't kill him to wait a few years to have one. Neither will it hurt your kids , or his kids, or her kids to wait a couple more years to own a SEMI-AUTO rifle.
What it would do is make it much, MUCH harder for some little millenial shithead who grew up in the world of ADHD,participation trophy's and "it's nobody's fault" to have access to a rifle capable of killing way too many people who never did a thing to them. If they want to go on a shooting spree than the DA will have to do it with a bolt gun or shotgun and the body count would be that much less than with an AR/AK. That sir, is fact.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 3:20 pm to AUTimbo
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about inner city gangbangers throwing rounds sideways out of a stolen Glock. I'm talking about the fricking kids who are too moody, on too many meds and have too many Grand Theft Auto gaming images going through their warped, YOUNG minds.
so blacks (to hell w them) vs whites (lets save their futures)?
Posted on 2/15/18 at 3:22 pm to AUTimbo
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AUTimbo
Jesus man. It must suck to only be able to think with emotion vs. logic.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 3:30 pm to Propagandalf
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"I own guns so I am pro gun, but want to strip gun rights from others" does not prove you are a "fully 2nd Amendment guy".
I am absolutely a 2nd Amendment guy.
What I am NOT is a sheep who will have ANY lobbying element on either side tell me what is right or not right in the REAL world when it comes to helping reduce some of these kids getting killed.
I drove to HS with a shotgun in the back window of my truck, every day, as did many others in my HS. We hunted, we fished...we were taught gun safety and right from wrong... WE didn't need this change to gun purchasing rights because WE didn't fricking go grabbing a gun and blowing people away because we had a bad day at school or someone rubbed us the wrong way.
Did I want an AR??? Sure!!!...Did I need one at 18 yrs of age to kill whitetail? Not particularly.
But this is a different time. I am not for conceeding ANYTHING to the libs,dems, ANTIFA, BLM or any other "Look at me, I'm mad" group of A-holes.
What I am for is maybe a modification to existing gun purchases with respect to semi-automatic long guns form 18-21 years of age. Maybe it won't help...shite, I don't know. But maybe that three years of growing and maturing might just help someone who is on the verge of trying some asswipe stunt like this from doing it because they CAN'T get an AR type weapon right then. And who knows, maybe by the time they turn 21 or so they might have matured enough to realize what a dumb fricking thought it was they had.
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