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re: Reelfoot Lake Duck hunters murdered
Posted on 1/27/21 at 11:43 am to Tiger Prawn
Posted on 1/27/21 at 11:43 am to Tiger Prawn
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Defendant doesn't have to prove shite. Burden of proof is on the prosecution.
Erroneous. Self defense is a defense that the defendant would have the burden of proving.
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Posted on 1/27/21 at 11:44 am to KemoSabe65
Has anyone seen what time the shooting happened? Sounds like he may have driven his boat over to their blind and opened fire on 2 of the 3 while they were in the boat, and the 3rd guy was still in the blind?
Pass shooting and sky busting sucks, but you haven't waterfowled much if you haven't done it yourself nor sat in a blind and watched another blind shoot every bird you worked or that were headed your way. I can't count the amount of times I'd have limited out if not for the blind down wind shooting first.
Pass shooting and sky busting sucks, but you haven't waterfowled much if you haven't done it yourself nor sat in a blind and watched another blind shoot every bird you worked or that were headed your way. I can't count the amount of times I'd have limited out if not for the blind down wind shooting first.
Posted on 1/27/21 at 3:13 pm to baldona
Posted on 1/27/21 at 3:15 pm to Splackavellie
Interesting developments
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Search halted for double murder suspect at Reelfoot Lake
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Crews have been searching for Vowell for two days now. Thomas says recent rain has caused the water on Reelfoot Lake to rise. He says crews believe Vowell is no longer in the water. They believe Vowell either died from exposure or was helped from the water.
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Posted on 1/27/21 at 4:22 pm to Splackavellie
That ole baw is still alive.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 8:20 am to Priapus
Such a tragedy. One thing for sure, all the people in here reporting on how it happened, pretty much have no idea of what went on.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 9:19 am to Priapus
It has been said many times, but things just arent adding up. Im anxious to get the full details.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 9:44 am to Splackavellie
I dont really think the gun jammed, the old guy probably shot his 3 shells and the 3rd guy probably hit him at that point.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 9:57 am to HoldThatTiger03
Just finished listening to a podcast from Back to the Lodge that I found on the Reelfoot Waterfowl link on page 4.
The Host was friends and hunted with all of them. He was part of a large group the helped clean out the blind this week. He personally knows & spoke with the 3rd survivor (an older retiree).
Apparently Vowell has dementia, just showed up with demons in his head. There was no confrontation at all. Truly sad.
The Host was friends and hunted with all of them. He was part of a large group the helped clean out the blind this week. He personally knows & spoke with the 3rd survivor (an older retiree).
Apparently Vowell has dementia, just showed up with demons in his head. There was no confrontation at all. Truly sad.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 10:07 am to mingoswamp
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Apparently Vowell has dementia
Apparently.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 10:22 am to mingoswamp
Makes sense, uncle has dementia and ran away with the car keys when aunt stopped to get gas before Thanksgiving. Cops were called, he told them she was kidnapping him and needed to be saved from her. They have been married 50 years.
The murder suicide in Mer Rouge a couple weeks ago was the same deal.
Sad deal since the shooter has no clue what he did today if he is still alive.
The murder suicide in Mer Rouge a couple weeks ago was the same deal.
Sad deal since the shooter has no clue what he did today if he is still alive.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 10:34 am to EveryoneGetsATrophy
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Apparently.
I used that because the Host of the podcast didn't directly state that. However he said something like 'as hard & heartbreaking as it is, sometimes you have to do the right thing and take away an older persons car keys & guns when it's clear their mental state is compromised'.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 11:33 am to mingoswamp
Is the old man still missing?
Posted on 1/28/21 at 11:34 am to mingoswamp
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I used that because the Host of the podcast didn't directly state that. However he said something like 'as hard & heartbreaking as it is, sometimes you have to do the right thing and take away an older persons car keys & guns when it's clear their mental state is compromised'.
That's being thrown around but then why the arrest warrants and why would he flee the scene potentially? Maybe he drowned sure, but what started that idea? Early on there was a search for him like he was on the run, if they thought he had drown early on I would think the early reports would have been different?
There were rumblings about these guys arguing early on, who would make that up? Some people were even saying they may have had fist to cuffs at some point? If the guy had dementia and their blinds were close together, then its likely they would know would they not? And not let the "crazy old guy" get close to them?
The dementia thing just seems like an easy out to me, and no one ever says that deceased may not have been perfect themselves. Not saying anyone deserved to die by any means, just that sometimes we all act in ways that we shouldn't occasionally.
I'm overly intrigued by this story also. Seen too many times people arguing over fishing and hunting.
This post was edited on 1/28/21 at 11:35 am
Posted on 1/28/21 at 11:44 am to baldona
This doesn't add up to me but who knows. I'll probably get downvoted, but it seems more likely the survivor isn't telling the real story to cover their own actions and that maybe they had been arguing all season and this was the end of it. I could see a guy with Dementia boating over guns blazing, but to ask to get in the blind and then just shoot them out of nowhere seems odd to me. Tragic no matter what
Updated News story
“One of the first things we look for is a motive. Here, we don’t have a motive. We don’t see a motive,” District Attorney Tommy Thomas said.
Three men were in the duck blind on Reelfoot Lake that morning. Thomas says now, investigators are getting a clearer picture of what happened.
Thomas says investigators believe 70-year-old David Vowell approached the blind around 9 a.m., asking if he could hunt in the blind.
The men said yes, but something was off.
“Approximately 9:00, a boat approaches their blind, and that was the suspect, David Vowell. Mr. Vowell asked them if he could hunt out of that blind. They said yes. He started getting his gear together. A few seconds after that, the gun went off, and Mr. Grooms was shot,” Thomas said. “Just a few seconds after he arrived and asked if he could use the blind, and they said yes, and that’s when the survivor noticed him loading his gun, turned around and heard the gunshot, and he thought it was an accident.”
The survivor went to help the injured friend, Zachary Grooms, and that’s when Thomas says Vowell allegedly grabbed another gun and shot Chance Black.
ETA: More from the article:
“He grabbed the gun away from Vowell. Hit him with it, knocked him out of the boat, and then he took off with the two injured friends in the boat,” Thomas said.
Investigators believe Vowell was able to get up and leave the scene.
“The water at that place was shallow, around waist deep. He turned around, and saw that the suspect was in the water. He had gotten up out of the water and was walking towards the bank,” Thomas said.
Updated News story
“One of the first things we look for is a motive. Here, we don’t have a motive. We don’t see a motive,” District Attorney Tommy Thomas said.
Three men were in the duck blind on Reelfoot Lake that morning. Thomas says now, investigators are getting a clearer picture of what happened.
Thomas says investigators believe 70-year-old David Vowell approached the blind around 9 a.m., asking if he could hunt in the blind.
The men said yes, but something was off.
“Approximately 9:00, a boat approaches their blind, and that was the suspect, David Vowell. Mr. Vowell asked them if he could hunt out of that blind. They said yes. He started getting his gear together. A few seconds after that, the gun went off, and Mr. Grooms was shot,” Thomas said. “Just a few seconds after he arrived and asked if he could use the blind, and they said yes, and that’s when the survivor noticed him loading his gun, turned around and heard the gunshot, and he thought it was an accident.”
The survivor went to help the injured friend, Zachary Grooms, and that’s when Thomas says Vowell allegedly grabbed another gun and shot Chance Black.
ETA: More from the article:
“He grabbed the gun away from Vowell. Hit him with it, knocked him out of the boat, and then he took off with the two injured friends in the boat,” Thomas said.
Investigators believe Vowell was able to get up and leave the scene.
“The water at that place was shallow, around waist deep. He turned around, and saw that the suspect was in the water. He had gotten up out of the water and was walking towards the bank,” Thomas said.
This post was edited on 1/28/21 at 11:47 am
Posted on 1/28/21 at 11:45 am to baldona
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There were rumblings about these guys arguing early on, who would make that up?
Social media commenters.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 11:55 am to baldona
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That's being thrown around but then why the arrest warrants and why would he flee the scene potentially?
The police are still going to arrest someone for killing two other people. They aren't going to just say, "Oh, he had dementia? Carry on then"
Posted on 1/28/21 at 11:57 am to AlxTgr
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Is the old man still missing?
It appears that way. They may never find him; he's most likely dead.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 12:55 pm to jchamil
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The police are still going to arrest someone for killing two other people. They aren't going to just say, "Oh, he had dementia? Carry on then"
Absolutely. But from what I saw he was treated like someone armed and dangerous on the run.
I don't have any experience with Dementia, but if that was truly the original issue then would he be acting like someone on the run from the law and still dangerous? Obviously take it seriously and with caution.
Just seems like the story went from a hunting argument gone bad to an old guy with dementia went crazy, and that's a big turn.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 1:03 pm to baldona
Possibly a misfire that led to a firefight? This story makes no sense.
This post was edited on 1/28/21 at 2:22 pm
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