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re: proposed speck and redfish changes
Posted on 7/9/23 at 11:18 pm to choupiquesushi
Posted on 7/9/23 at 11:18 pm to choupiquesushi
I like it except I wish the redfish limits were 16-24". I like those tender barely legal reds on my plate.
Don't like cleaning the larger ones, and the fillets don't fit normal plates anyway.
Is it about food or biology??? Either way, I usually don't need 5 reds or 25 trout, so the lower limits will help.
Don't like cleaning the larger ones, and the fillets don't fit normal plates anyway.
Is it about food or biology??? Either way, I usually don't need 5 reds or 25 trout, so the lower limits will help.
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Posted on 7/10/23 at 12:00 am to dat yat
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I usually don't need 5 reds or 25 trout, so the lower limits will help.
What’s stopping you from keeping whatever amount “you feel like you need”? I’m fine with changes as long as there is some concrete evidence that there is a problem to begin with.
Posted on 7/10/23 at 6:49 am to TJG210
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What’s stopping you from keeping whatever amount “you feel like you need”? I’m fine with changes as long as there is some concrete evidence that there is a problem to begin with.
My pow pow calls this Democrat thinking. "I don't need/like it so I don't want anyone else to have it"
Posted on 7/10/23 at 10:48 am to TutHillTiger
Say these changes are made and time passes and it gets better, does anyone think the limits will be eased back?
Posted on 7/10/23 at 12:48 pm to dragboatscott
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Say these changes are made and time passes and it gets better, does anyone think the limits will be eased back?
Maybe not but that’s what the sunset clause is for.
If the MS river stays low then the fishing is gonna get much better the next few years regardless of what we do. That’s doesn’t mean it’s gonna get better over the next 10/20/50 years, though.
Posted on 7/10/23 at 1:27 pm to dat yat
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I like
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I like
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Don't like
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I usually don't need
Well, that settles it then.
Posted on 7/10/23 at 1:29 pm to hall59tiger
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If the MS river stays low then the fishing is gonna get much better the next few years regardless of what we do. That’s doesn’t mean it’s gonna get better over the next 10/20/50 years, though.
The fact that we’re not managing a lake/pond, but an open estuary is what makes this difficult though.
The environmental changes I think are much more influential than the fishing ones. Loss of habitat, freshwater, winter temps all play parts. Trout are prolific spawners, however they need heavy saltwater for their eggs to float…if that’s not available, they’ll move to areas where it is.
I think we’re having such a great season this yr is due to the mild winter temps and seemingly surplus of shrimp.
Posted on 7/10/23 at 3:01 pm to TJG210
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The fact that we’re not managing a lake/pond, but an open estuary is what makes this difficult though.
In an ideal world they would manage the state in sections (east of the river/Venice/break up the west side somehow). I think ldwf knows that but they don’t want to put the resources in place to actually manage that.
Posted on 7/10/23 at 4:07 pm to hall59tiger
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I think ldwf knows that but they don’t want to put the resources in place to actually manage that.
They do which is why, in part, they granted the motion to change Big Lake in 2006.
Posted on 7/10/23 at 4:16 pm to TJG210
quote:I missed this the first time. I am now convinced you have no idea what you're talking about and you're just mad about limit reduction.
How many years ago were these same scientists assuring us that there was next to no red snapper in the Gulf of Mexico off of the Louisiana coast due to their asinine data collection methods?
quote:This one?
The last studies done that I’m aware of were done in a haphazard foolish way
quote:Because you're making it up.
No idea where I can find it now
quote:I don't have to pretend.
but let’s not pretend that it doesn’t exist.
Posted on 7/10/23 at 4:52 pm to AlxTgr
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Because you're making it up.
Ok, I guess everyone else on here who saw it and has made similar comments is just imagining it as well.
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I am now convinced you have no idea what you're talking about and you're just mad about limit reduction.
If you want to take my comments that literally go for it. I’ll spell it out for you clearly, those scientists used flawed methods, these scientists used flawed methods as well.
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you're just mad about limit reduction.
Yeap, because if you had any actual clue as to what’s going on, you’d know it was unnecessary. The same people who were crying the last few yrs that there are no more trout have sure been quiet since the high river conditions in the summer have abated.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 8:44 am to TJG210
quote:Methods were fine. Criteria was poor.
those scientists used flawed methods
quote:Then you should be able to support this.
these scientists used flawed methods as well.
quote:Again, you should be able to support this.
because if you had any actual clue as to what’s going on, you’d know it was unnecessary.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 8:50 am to AlxTgr
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Methods were fine. Criteria was poor
If we knew they used bad data... like putting out nets when the river was high and the spillway was open.... why should we support a limit reduction?
Why should the rec guys take the hit when everyone knows the pogey boats are the problem
Posted on 7/11/23 at 9:10 am to maisweh
quote:I have not seen that anywhere other than this board. Did you read the document? Even if this is true, it's not what anything was based upon. Besides, the above quote was from the snapper study
If we knew they used bad data... like putting out nets when the river was high and the spillway was open.... why should we support a limit reduction?
Posted on 7/11/23 at 10:43 am to AlxTgr
I'm too lazy to go back and look right now, but they had the net locations somewhere and it coincided with the river levels. I'll go look after while.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 11:39 am to maisweh
I searched "net" in the study. Here's some findings:
There are 85 uses of the word, net. The catches were all over the place.
quote:So no river issue there.
Annual female SST abundance index values estimated from of the 1.5-inch mesh panel of the
Calcasieu/Sabine basins gillnet survey decreased from 1.5 in 2014 to 0.77 in 2015. After 2015, abundance
index values increased to 1.9 estimated in 2016 and then decreased to 0.80 estimated in 2017 and 0.67
estimated in 2018. The 2019 and 2020 abundance index values are 0.53 and 0.83.
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The age composition of the female SST catches of the 1.25-inch mesh panel of the Vermilion/Teche
basins gillnet survey from 2014-2020 for age-0 through age-3+ fish are 0%, 84%, 15%, and 0.90%
respectively.
There are 85 uses of the word, net. The catches were all over the place.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 11:51 am to AlxTgr
Those aren’t the locations we are referencing. Going from memory it was a location in Venice.
Would you agree that in the last 2yrs that the trout fishing has been better than the previous 3? Low rivers/mild winters have done wonders for the fishing. Even the yrs when the fishermen in Venice/grand isle seemed to not be doing well, we were catching in Dulac/cocodrie.
Would you agree that in the last 2yrs that the trout fishing has been better than the previous 3? Low rivers/mild winters have done wonders for the fishing. Even the yrs when the fishermen in Venice/grand isle seemed to not be doing well, we were catching in Dulac/cocodrie.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 12:40 pm to TJG210
quote:So you agree that none of your statements here are based in fact and are completely made up. Got it
Those aren’t the locations we are referencing. Going from memory it was a location in Venice.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 12:47 pm to maisweh
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Why should the rec guys take the hit when everyone knows the pogey boats are the problem
Do we really KNOW that the pogey boats are having a bigger impact on trout than rec fisherman? I find that really hard to believe and it’s probably impossible to verify.
Maybe it’s a bigger problem with redfish but Ive only dove into the trout research so I’m trying to hold back on speaking to that issue
Posted on 7/11/23 at 12:59 pm to jsmoke222000
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Many guides run both morning and afternoon trips so that's just taking that many more fish out of the population.
The population isn't dwindling. There's a whole gulf full of them.
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