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New Military 6.8mm Ballistics
Posted on 1/24/21 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 1/24/21 at 1:43 pm
Anyone have any insight on this new caliber being developed.
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Posted on 1/24/21 at 1:51 pm to GardenDistrictTiger
I heard that it was supposed to cripplemore than it kills
Posted on 1/24/21 at 2:43 pm to GardenDistrictTiger
There is a little bit of info out there but nothing has been decided at this point.
Posted on 1/24/21 at 3:27 pm to Beessnax
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Beessnax
I heard that it was supposed to cripplemore than it kills
Take that shite to the OT. This is the outdoor board and men are talking.
This post was edited on 1/24/21 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 1/24/21 at 4:47 pm to Beessnax
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I heard that it was supposed to cripplemore than it kills
Isn't that still the purpose of military rounds? Take out two soldiers with one shot - one wounded and one to take care of the wounded soldier.
Posted on 1/24/21 at 5:14 pm to BiggerBear
The purpose of this new round is to defeat advanced body armor as developed by the Soviets.
Posted on 1/24/21 at 5:40 pm to GardenDistrictTiger
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GardenDistrictTiger
The purpose of this new round is to defeat advanced body armor as developed by the Soviets.
What about Chinese body armor?
Posted on 1/24/21 at 6:01 pm to GardenDistrictTiger
6.8 SPC?
Or is this a 5.56 case necked up to 270?
What's the point? The military isn't going to start building millions of firearms, magazines and parts to replace the 5.56.
Or is this a 5.56 case necked up to 270?
What's the point? The military isn't going to start building millions of firearms, magazines and parts to replace the 5.56.
Posted on 1/24/21 at 6:04 pm to saintsfan1977
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6.8 SPC?
Have read that it will not be the 6.8spc
Nothing has been finalized though.
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What's the point? The military isn't going to start building millions of firearms, magazines and parts to replace the 5.56.
That’s not the way this works
This post was edited on 1/24/21 at 6:06 pm
Posted on 1/24/21 at 6:11 pm to GardenDistrictTiger
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The purpose of this new round is to defeat advanced body armor as developed by the Soviets.
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it will provide increased lethality at longer ranges compared to the current M855A1 5.56mm ammunition... substantially increased effective range and muzzle energy, drastic reduction in cartridge weight and enhanced accuracy
Military.com
Complaints about the 5.56mm not being effective at long range from current troops.
Posted on 1/24/21 at 6:22 pm to GardenDistrictTiger
Seems like kind of a waste of money. I’ve read multiples times around 250,000 rounds are fired for every enemy killed
Upside is hopefully that would put more surplus 5.56 on the market for us
Upside is hopefully that would put more surplus 5.56 on the market for us
Posted on 1/24/21 at 6:43 pm to rebelrouser
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Complaints about the 5.56mm not being effective at long range from current troops.
This bullshite pops up every 5-7 years.
This is top brass getting together with contractors to fleece the taxpayers yet again.
Posted on 1/24/21 at 6:57 pm to upgrayedd
5.56 is not an effective round against people during CQB. JSOC requested the 6.8 to be developed in order to have more stopping power out to 300M.
The problem is Remington rushed the round and had terrible and inconsistent performance out of the ammo they had produced. Had they done it right and produced a 90gr FMJ that has the same performance as the Federal 90gr Gold Dot ammo then the switch would have probably been made already.
The Nex Gen 6.8 that are being tested are all experimental rounds. None are built on the 6.8 SPC II round. The most likely weapon system is produced by Sig.
Sig NGSW
The problem is Remington rushed the round and had terrible and inconsistent performance out of the ammo they had produced. Had they done it right and produced a 90gr FMJ that has the same performance as the Federal 90gr Gold Dot ammo then the switch would have probably been made already.
The Nex Gen 6.8 that are being tested are all experimental rounds. None are built on the 6.8 SPC II round. The most likely weapon system is produced by Sig.
Sig NGSW
Posted on 1/24/21 at 7:01 pm to chew4219
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5.56 is not an effective round against people during CQB. JSOC requested the 6.8 to be developed in order to have more stopping power out to 300M.
It's not effective during CQB, it's not effective at long range, it's not effective in between the two, and on, and on, and on.
90% of this is a money grab.
Posted on 1/24/21 at 7:28 pm to upgrayedd
Shot placement trumps all
Posted on 1/24/21 at 7:29 pm to HeadSlash
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Shot placement trumps all
Nah, it's totally ineffective at close range
Posted on 1/24/21 at 7:37 pm to upgrayedd
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It's not effective during CQB, it's not effective at long range, it's not effective in between the two, and on, and on, and on.
90% of this is a money grab.
This. The DoD spent millions developing the M855A1, making significant improvements over M855 in pretty much every way it could be. It's a solid performer in any appreciable way an intermediate rifle round issued en masse can be. JSOC always wants something special and their procurement and demands shouldn't reflect of what the military issues as a whole. The only way this works is if the Army does away with the whole intermediate cartridge paradigm and goes back to battle rifles where the ammo is shared amongst standard infantry rifles, DSMR's, sniper, and light/medium machine guns which is certainly doable with some of the existing 6.8mm variants out there.
Oh, don't anyone get there hopes up that that would mean surplus M855A1 getting dumped on the civilian market, it isn't available as it is now and it's long replaced M855 as our range/training ammo.
Posted on 1/24/21 at 7:42 pm to Clames
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This. The DoD spent millions developing the M855A1, making significant improvements over M855 in pretty much every way it could be. It's a solid performer in any appreciable way an intermediate rifle round issued en masse can be. JSOC always wants something special and their procurement and demands shouldn't reflect of what the military issues as a whole. The only way this works is if the Army does away with the whole intermediate cartridge paradigm and goes back to battle rifles where the ammo is shared amongst standard infantry rifles, DSMR's, sniper, and light/medium machine guns which is certainly doable with some of the existing 6.8mm variants out there.
Holy shite, this is a great answer.
Posted on 1/24/21 at 7:45 pm to HeadSlash
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Shot placement trumps all
Bullet selection helps too. The military may be largely restricted to FMJ, but the homeowner isn't.
Posted on 1/24/21 at 10:41 pm to saintsfan1977
What i've read is that both will be from Sig. 277 Fury is the long range option they have one contract on. The other like said is the 6.8 Gen II Type.
I have the 277 Wolverine which is the wildcat that uses the 556 case. It's a bad dude so far and super cheap(Barrel only) to convert a regular MSR to. I'm pretty sure the Military has not looked at this one.
I have the 277 Wolverine which is the wildcat that uses the 556 case. It's a bad dude so far and super cheap(Barrel only) to convert a regular MSR to. I'm pretty sure the Military has not looked at this one.
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