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re: Native Habitat Restoration for Wildlife
Posted on 7/5/23 at 2:42 pm to Restoringtheground
Posted on 7/5/23 at 2:42 pm to Restoringtheground
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My understanding is that fire will kill almost any size sweet gum in September if the fire girdles the base of the tree.
It will topkill it. Fire won’t kill a sweetgum. They will resprout 100% of the time
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 2:46 pm to Restoringtheground
I'm going to give it a listen. 17 years ago my dad and I bought 168 acres half of which was pasture and half was an old pecan grove. I've spent many years planting hardwoods and trying to mold it into what we wanted. It's a lot of work and I imagine I'll be at it for as long as I can.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 3:09 pm to Bayou Ken
quote:You said they’re stump and root sprouts? If so it will be difficult to get enough herbicide on the sprouts to take out the mature root system, even with aerial app.
Most of them are 5-8” in diameter
Hinge cutting them might be a more beneficial use of your time if managing for deers.
This post was edited on 7/5/23 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 7/5/23 at 3:50 pm to White Bear
I definitely need to look into getting my burn certification. I have a 3-4 acre section that was cut about 4 years ago. It’s a tangled mess. There is cover bot over time they will shade everything out and it will be barren with no food or cover. The rest, about 12-15 acres is where the larger gums are. Again, no food or cover under the gum canopy .
Posted on 7/5/23 at 4:27 pm to Restoringtheground
I’ll be following along, we’re in summerland a bit south of you. Does your forester work in the area? Couple years from cutting a little over 400 acres and I’ll be looking to diversify.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 4:49 pm to White Bear
I’m not sure about Sweet gum (they are considered a hardwood), but I do know that it doesn’t take a whole lot of RM43 sprayed on or around oaks to kill them dead.
One of my employees used some of it in an area instead of roundup and I ended up having to replace 4-5 nutall oaks. The Imazpyr stays in the soil and kills the tree from the roots.
It did take about 6 months or more to see the effects of it though.
I’ll have to test this on a small section of sweet gums that I don’t necessarily want.
I sent my biologist a text and he agreed that sweetgums over 3 inches will be hard to kill with fire. It’s definitely a better possibility late summer than in the spring though.
One of my employees used some of it in an area instead of roundup and I ended up having to replace 4-5 nutall oaks. The Imazpyr stays in the soil and kills the tree from the roots.
It did take about 6 months or more to see the effects of it though.
I’ll have to test this on a small section of sweet gums that I don’t necessarily want.
I sent my biologist a text and he agreed that sweetgums over 3 inches will be hard to kill with fire. It’s definitely a better possibility late summer than in the spring though.
This post was edited on 7/5/23 at 5:37 pm
Posted on 7/5/23 at 5:05 pm to Restoringtheground
Just Burn it and leave it repeat
Posted on 7/5/23 at 5:12 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
Drunken Tiger,
The forester is from Columbia and works all over south Mississippi. He managed the property for the previous family. I’ve only spoken with him a few times, but he is full of knowledge.
Follow the Facebook page and send me a message and I’ll send you his contact information.
We are going to meet next spring and go over a plan to burn the portion that I’m leasing.
The forester is from Columbia and works all over south Mississippi. He managed the property for the previous family. I’ve only spoken with him a few times, but he is full of knowledge.
Follow the Facebook page and send me a message and I’ll send you his contact information.
We are going to meet next spring and go over a plan to burn the portion that I’m leasing.
This post was edited on 7/5/23 at 5:17 pm
Posted on 7/5/23 at 5:21 pm to Restoringtheground
If you really want to learn how to use fire, even when applying it to young Loblolly stands, you need to attend the Alabama Predcribed Burn Manager class taught by John Stivers. He’s the GOAT on RX fire in the southeast.
Last year when I attended, there were 3 guys from the State Conservation Dept in MS that attended. Because there was nothing that in depth offered they came to AL.
Attend any other Learn to Burn Course you can find.
Last year when I attended, there were 3 guys from the State Conservation Dept in MS that attended. Because there was nothing that in depth offered they came to AL.
Attend any other Learn to Burn Course you can find.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 5:27 pm to KB375
Thank you. I will look that up. The Mississippi course is more about safety, liability and smoke prevention in my opinion. I’ve been involved in probably 12-15 controlled burns in my adult life so I have a little experience, but I really want to know the ends and outs of techniques to save certain species of trees, kill others and generate the quality habitat for wildlife.
I will look this information up.
I will look this information up.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 10:47 pm to Restoringtheground
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I have an absolute abundance of birds, insects, butterflies, etc.
The interesting part to me is the relationship of the plants with the insects/butterflies. Like if you want pipeline plover you need their host plant (pipeline). Loved seeing more zebra swallowtails after planting more devils walking stick etc.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 5:47 am to Restoringtheground
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want to know the ends and outs of techniques to save certain species of trees, kill others and generate the quality habitat for wildlife
I doubt you find this. You either burn in the the dormant season or growing season. One will tend to give grass and the the other/s tends to give Forbs. One will kill most trees the other might only too kill it. (Might not kill it, but and under Brusher and the right management plants in the future will definitely remove it.
I listened to your podcast and one thing to realize about EDHD or blue tongue in the mid west is that it kills a large he percentile of deer. When that happened it removed “mouths from the table”. That allowed the deer that survived to take advantage of all the available food.
Blue tongue is horrible, but you will always see an increase in antler production and fawn requirements. It is strictly because it lowered the deer:acre ratio.
I might have missed it, but who are you using in the MDWFP? I use a guy and I couldn’t be happier with him. He is mainly in the delta, but he could venture out towards you.
P.S. please have which species of plants you want to mention written down. It didn’t matter to me because I assumed what plant you were talking about when you mention Forbs and yellow flowers. I don’t know about other listeners, but it made me roll my eyes.
*that is meant to be positive criticism. I’m not sure I could jump in a podcast and start talking without fricking up about 100 times the normal guy. I just wanted to let you know how it made me think. I don’t think starting off you want people thinking you don’t know what you are talking about.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 7:09 am to Restoringtheground
What county are you in? That would help the listener understand the terrain and habitat you’re dealing with.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 7:35 am to Outdoorreb
Reb,
In the 2012 season, we only found a couple of dead deer, but we went from seeing deer nonstop in 2010 and 2011 to nothing in 2012 and a few in 2013. It then improved each year after. I should have been clearer that when speaking with some of the locals that year, we were told that the summer drought was so severe that there had been a die off and some had mentioned that it was blue tongue. Blue tongue definitely struck the northern part of the state that year, but it was more assumption on our part for our area. The severe drought definitely had an effect on the herd.
As far as forgetting names, I 100 percent receive the criticism. We can never grow if we don’t receive criticism. I didn’t write the plant names down because I say them weekly when talking to friends, and then I lo and behold have a brain fart when I needed to know them. I’m usually talking off the cuff and from the heart, but that definitely revealed that I need to make sure I have a few more notes written and organized so that when I go different directions, I have points of reference.
Shoot me a message on Facebook if you would. I’d love to talk to your biologist. I’ll gladly send you my information, but I don’t want to post the biologist information on here without his approval.
I’ve read a lot of your post over the last year on land management and realize you have put a lot of work into your place.
I’m a professional landscaper, but not a professional land manager. This is a hobby for me that I greatly enjoy and I want to share my experience with others.
In the 2012 season, we only found a couple of dead deer, but we went from seeing deer nonstop in 2010 and 2011 to nothing in 2012 and a few in 2013. It then improved each year after. I should have been clearer that when speaking with some of the locals that year, we were told that the summer drought was so severe that there had been a die off and some had mentioned that it was blue tongue. Blue tongue definitely struck the northern part of the state that year, but it was more assumption on our part for our area. The severe drought definitely had an effect on the herd.
As far as forgetting names, I 100 percent receive the criticism. We can never grow if we don’t receive criticism. I didn’t write the plant names down because I say them weekly when talking to friends, and then I lo and behold have a brain fart when I needed to know them. I’m usually talking off the cuff and from the heart, but that definitely revealed that I need to make sure I have a few more notes written and organized so that when I go different directions, I have points of reference.
Shoot me a message on Facebook if you would. I’d love to talk to your biologist. I’ll gladly send you my information, but I don’t want to post the biologist information on here without his approval.
I’ve read a lot of your post over the last year on land management and realize you have put a lot of work into your place.
I’m a professional landscaper, but not a professional land manager. This is a hobby for me that I greatly enjoy and I want to share my experience with others.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 8:22 am to Restoringtheground
good for you we need more of this
small private landowners can do these easy things and make a big impact:
-stop tilling
-stop spraying
-plant native grasses and wildflowers
-aggressively remove invasive species (tallow, privet, etc) using mechanical or non toxic means
-stop mowing during the growing season
just do those things and the habitat will improve and Mother Nature can do her thing
small private landowners can do these easy things and make a big impact:
-stop tilling
-stop spraying
-plant native grasses and wildflowers
-aggressively remove invasive species (tallow, privet, etc) using mechanical or non toxic means
-stop mowing during the growing season
just do those things and the habitat will improve and Mother Nature can do her thing
Posted on 7/6/23 at 8:24 am to cgrand
I have a lot of fescue on my place and I need to get rid of it.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 8:58 am to bbvdd
We had a lot of fescue on my Dads place in Missouri. He did most of the work to remove it, but here is what I remember. Mow really really good or burn, then spray with glyphosate after it’s grown back out about 6 inches. It will die back but you will probably have to repeat the same procedure another time or two to get rid of it completely.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 9:24 am to Restoringtheground
Yep, just have to do it and then run the disk over it to get native seeds to sprout.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 9:51 am to bbvdd
I’ve been told best time to do soil disturbance to get native seeds to sprout on from November through February.
The work I did on my place during that time frame has exploded with ragweed primarily. I’m seeing some pokeweed and partridge pea. I didn’t really disk though. It was more soil disturbance from the tracks if the skid steer then disturbance with the grapple when I went back and cleaned and piled up the debris to burn. If I don’t see more partridge pea and beggars lice this year, I will plan to buy seed and lightly scatter it early spring next year to get some established. I want to get it growing and allow it to reseed itself.
The work I did on my place during that time frame has exploded with ragweed primarily. I’m seeing some pokeweed and partridge pea. I didn’t really disk though. It was more soil disturbance from the tracks if the skid steer then disturbance with the grapple when I went back and cleaned and piled up the debris to burn. If I don’t see more partridge pea and beggars lice this year, I will plan to buy seed and lightly scatter it early spring next year to get some established. I want to get it growing and allow it to reseed itself.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 10:04 am to White Bear
Hinge cutting is not a good sweetgum management strategy.
This post was edited on 7/6/23 at 10:09 am
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