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re: Native Habitat Restoration for Wildlife
Posted on 7/7/23 at 6:24 am to Outdoorreb
Posted on 7/7/23 at 6:24 am to Outdoorreb
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Posted on 7/7/23 at 10:43 pm to Restoringtheground
Sounded good to me.
I don’t do social media, I haven’t had Facebook since 2006 or so. (High school)
Would have to do it through email.
I had a PDF file with native forages, but it was broken down into regions of the state. I tried to find it through emails with some biologists, but I couldn’t find it. It was done by MDWFP and MSU, but I couldn’t find it. Maybe it was a pamphlet or small book? I tried to find it on both websites. I was going to post it here since some plants are selected differently by regions.
What was the species that you were talking about that your app didn’t list, that looked like partridge pea? Been wondering all day what it could be, and I don’t think you even said what it was. I could have missed it but I called myself listening for it twice while on the tractor
I don’t do social media, I haven’t had Facebook since 2006 or so. (High school)
Would have to do it through email.
I had a PDF file with native forages, but it was broken down into regions of the state. I tried to find it through emails with some biologists, but I couldn’t find it. It was done by MDWFP and MSU, but I couldn’t find it. Maybe it was a pamphlet or small book? I tried to find it on both websites. I was going to post it here since some plants are selected differently by regions.
What was the species that you were talking about that your app didn’t list, that looked like partridge pea? Been wondering all day what it could be, and I don’t think you even said what it was. I could have missed it but I called myself listening for it twice while on the tractor
Posted on 7/8/23 at 7:19 am to Outdoorreb
restoringtheground@gmail.com
That is my email. I would love to read that if you find it. I forgot to go back and discuss the plants saved on my picture this app. I did that on the next podcast. It will release Monday. I share those on it, and get to rambling talking about the different plants.
The plants name is Nutall's sensitive briar. I took a picture of it, then read about it in the field. It gets its name from two things, the Biologist who found it and that its foliage is sensitive to the touch. When you touch it, it folds or closes up. It is really cool to see.
Ive read a lot of your post on here over the last year, and there is no doubt about your knowledge and the work you have put in. This is all relatively new to me (3-4 yrs), but I am absolutely eat up with it. It has become a passion and I enjoy sharing it with others. Plus, my wife is tired of hearing about it.
That is my email. I would love to read that if you find it. I forgot to go back and discuss the plants saved on my picture this app. I did that on the next podcast. It will release Monday. I share those on it, and get to rambling talking about the different plants.
The plants name is Nutall's sensitive briar. I took a picture of it, then read about it in the field. It gets its name from two things, the Biologist who found it and that its foliage is sensitive to the touch. When you touch it, it folds or closes up. It is really cool to see.
Ive read a lot of your post on here over the last year, and there is no doubt about your knowledge and the work you have put in. This is all relatively new to me (3-4 yrs), but I am absolutely eat up with it. It has become a passion and I enjoy sharing it with others. Plus, my wife is tired of hearing about it.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 12:59 pm to Restoringtheground
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Nutall's sensitive briar
I always call it Sunshine Mimosa. I have a bunch of it, but I can’t really remember deer eating it. I never remember seeing it until 2017 after some big floods. Someone on this board told me what it was because I had never seen it. I thought it was some kind of Vetch when I first saw it.
It makes me think a Dr. Seuss
Posted on 7/8/23 at 3:52 pm to Restoringtheground
The plants name is Nutall's sensitive briar. I took a picture of it, then read about it in the field. It gets its name from two things, the Biologist who found it and that its foliage is sensitive to the touch. When you touch it, it folds or closes up. It is really cool to see.
If you’re wanting something sensitive briar seed I may be able to collect some for you. May also have partridge pea and Slender Lespedeza (not Sericea)
If you’re wanting something sensitive briar seed I may be able to collect some for you. May also have partridge pea and Slender Lespedeza (not Sericea)
Posted on 7/8/23 at 4:18 pm to KB375
The Nutall Sensitive Briar is a neat plant, but I don’t think I want to plant anymore because it’s not a native.
I’m definitely interested in partridge pea and slender lespedeza seed. Both are natives and I don’t have a bunch of either on my property.
Thank you
I’m definitely interested in partridge pea and slender lespedeza seed. Both are natives and I don’t have a bunch of either on my property.
Thank you
Posted on 7/8/23 at 4:24 pm to Restoringtheground
Glad you’re moving in this direction sir. We are doing some no till soil regeneration on our 632 acres in Wilkinson County. We are moving very slowly and cautiously but the goal is to combine proven tactics from our area with No-Till drilling seed methods. I’d love to do the Buffalo method but it’s expensive up front, and risky. You’ve got to ease into it with herbicides.
Our goals are simple
1. Year round nutrition for wildlife
2. Eventually no corn or protein feeders
3. Healthy soil
4. Less labor, fertilizer, and seed
Our goals are simple
1. Year round nutrition for wildlife
2. Eventually no corn or protein feeders
3. Healthy soil
4. Less labor, fertilizer, and seed
This post was edited on 7/8/23 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 7/8/23 at 5:20 pm to Restoringtheground
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but I don’t think I want to plant anymore because it’s not a native.
Do you know for sure it is Nutall Sensitive Briar and not sunshine mimosa?
Sunshine mimosa is native to Ms
This post was edited on 7/8/23 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 7/8/23 at 5:29 pm to KB375
quote:
you’re wanting something sensitive briar seed I may be able to collect some for you. May also have partridge pea and Slender Lespedeza (not Sericea)
Do you sell native seeds?
Posted on 7/8/23 at 6:37 pm to Outdoorreb
Yes, it’s definitely the nutall sensitive briar. The reason I know is because I spent about a minute touching the plant watching the leaves curl in.
On the picture this app, it does classify it as a Mimosa - sensitive plant. It may be native but
Shoot me an email and I’ll send pictures of the picture this app.
Restoringtheground@gmail.com
On the picture this app, it does classify it as a Mimosa - sensitive plant. It may be native but
Shoot me an email and I’ll send pictures of the picture this app.
Restoringtheground@gmail.com
Posted on 7/8/23 at 7:32 pm to Restoringtheground
quote:
The reason I know is because I spent about a minute touching the plant watching the leaves curl in.
Sunshine mimosa/powderpuff/sensitive briar (Mimosa strigilossa) would do the same thing. It's a characteristic trait of many mimosas.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 8:53 pm to Cowboyfan89
Nuttalli has “thorns” hence the name “briar”.
Strigillosa doesn’t have thorns
Strigillosa doesn’t have thorns
Posted on 7/9/23 at 5:37 am to Outdoorreb
I am aware.
But he didn't say he knows it's "nuttalli" because it has thorns. He said he knows because the leaves close up.
Every species of Mimosa I've ever seen does that.
But he didn't say he knows it's "nuttalli" because it has thorns. He said he knows because the leaves close up.
Every species of Mimosa I've ever seen does that.
Posted on 7/9/23 at 7:23 am to Cowboyfan89
It does have thorns. It’s a small briar. Reb sent me something that shows that it is native to Louisiana at least, so it’s very possible that it’s native to Mississippi also.
Posted on 7/9/23 at 7:39 am to The Levee
Levee,
I agree with your goals. I am planning to build a roller crimper to pull behind my SXS. I also need to find a No till drill to rent. I plan to call the local NRCS office to see if they rent one. If I can’t find one through NRCS, I’ll try to find one at a Co-op.
The NRCS in Douglas county Missouri has 2 drills and rental is very cheap.
Last summer, when brush cutting, I found a few places where the loggers did their final trim work. I found piles of pine bark in these areas. I took the pine bark and spread it out over about a 1/2 acre, then used the soil conditioner to blend it into the soil. I didn’t test the soil, but I think it’s probably too acidic from the bark. I’m going to leave these areas alone for a couple of years then go back and test them.
Fertility and water saturation should increase drastically after the acidity washes out.
I agree with your goals. I am planning to build a roller crimper to pull behind my SXS. I also need to find a No till drill to rent. I plan to call the local NRCS office to see if they rent one. If I can’t find one through NRCS, I’ll try to find one at a Co-op.
The NRCS in Douglas county Missouri has 2 drills and rental is very cheap.
Last summer, when brush cutting, I found a few places where the loggers did their final trim work. I found piles of pine bark in these areas. I took the pine bark and spread it out over about a 1/2 acre, then used the soil conditioner to blend it into the soil. I didn’t test the soil, but I think it’s probably too acidic from the bark. I’m going to leave these areas alone for a couple of years then go back and test them.
Fertility and water saturation should increase drastically after the acidity washes out.
Posted on 7/9/23 at 7:45 am to Restoringtheground
quote:
It does have thorns. It’s a small briar. Reb sent me something that shows that it is native to Louisiana at least, so it’s very possible that it’s native to Mississippi also.
Wouldn't surprise me at all. I only trust range maps on plants so much. Unless there's reason to believe something was planted, if range maps show it native to adjacent counties/parishes/states in similar ecosystems, there's a good chance it's native to that area.
Something as small and "inconspicuous" as a Mimosa could very easily be missed, especially if no one has ever conducted botanical surveys of an area.
Of course, you always have to consider other species as well. We have 4 or 5 native Mimosa species in LA, and I believe all but 1 has thorns.
Posted on 7/9/23 at 7:51 am to Restoringtheground
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Fertility and water saturation should increase drastically after the acidity washes out.
That's not how soil pH works. Leaving ground alone doesn't increase soil pH. Most southeastern soils are naturally acidic--some more than others, especially in pine regions.
Acidity is only decreased by adding something more basic to the soil, like lime.
Also, it's a myth that pine bark and needles decrease pH.
Posted on 7/9/23 at 8:35 am to Cowboyfan89
Cowboy,
My familiarity with pine bark is with what we call bed builder in the landscape world. Some places pile the old pine bark for years, then process after 5 plus years to create bedding soil. Other processing companies will actually put it into water for w few years, then dig it out, and process it into soil. I was always told that time/decomposition changed the PH. It sounds like that is not true.
I am hoping to get back up to the camp next weekend. I am going to try to take a few soil samples from some of these areas to see what it looks like. I also have a few of those piles that I burned because they were primarily rotting logs. I have piles of ash that I am going to have to do something with pretty soon.
Thank you for the feedback.
My familiarity with pine bark is with what we call bed builder in the landscape world. Some places pile the old pine bark for years, then process after 5 plus years to create bedding soil. Other processing companies will actually put it into water for w few years, then dig it out, and process it into soil. I was always told that time/decomposition changed the PH. It sounds like that is not true.
I am hoping to get back up to the camp next weekend. I am going to try to take a few soil samples from some of these areas to see what it looks like. I also have a few of those piles that I burned because they were primarily rotting logs. I have piles of ash that I am going to have to do something with pretty soon.
Thank you for the feedback.
Posted on 7/9/23 at 11:45 am to Restoringtheground
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I was always told that time/decomposition changed the PH
This actually is true--but it's the pH of the pine bark.
Pine bark is acidic, but as it decomposes, the pH increases. So it ends up having a negligible effect on soil pH.
The plants on the ground, however, may impact soil pH. Nitrogen (more specifically, ammonium) acidifies soils. So an abundance of legumes (like Mimosa spp.) on a site could cause the soil to become more acidic over time.
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I have piles of ash that I am going to have to do something with pretty soon.
Definitely consider where you are going to put this and what you want that area to be. Wood ash can raise pH (make it more alkaline), so I would not dump it all in one area.
If you have an area that has a really low pH (think 3 or 4), and plant growth isn't what you want it to be, using that ash there may bring it back into a more appropriate pH range.
Most plants seem to do best in a pH range of 4 to 7, although some like it closer to 8.
Posted on 7/9/23 at 2:04 pm to Cowboyfan89
I’m sorry that I wasn’t clearer on my first post about pH. I definitely meant the pH of the pine bark. I placed it primarily on hilltops where the soil is harder and more compact.
I’m going to go back and take soil samples on a few of these hill top spots. That’s where I would want to put the ash if the pH level is low enough in those areas.
Thank you for the feedback
I’m going to go back and take soil samples on a few of these hill top spots. That’s where I would want to put the ash if the pH level is low enough in those areas.
Thank you for the feedback
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