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re: Native Habitat Restoration for Wildlife
Posted on 7/4/23 at 3:25 pm to wickowick
Posted on 7/4/23 at 3:25 pm to wickowick
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Have you had any conversations with quail forever biologist?
It's amazing how many times this gets suggested when all they did was copy and supplement what NRCS does.
They didn't invent the FARM BILL biologist...
They are a good resource though...as are the guys that they are housed and often partially funded by.
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Posted on 7/4/23 at 4:01 pm to Cowboyfan89
Cowboy,
You definitely have a lot of knowledge on these things. If time allows, I’d love to pick your brain one day on some of these subjects.
You definitely have a lot of knowledge on these things. If time allows, I’d love to pick your brain one day on some of these subjects.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 4:09 pm to Restoringtheground
Where is your land? As near as you feel comfortable describing.
This post was edited on 7/4/23 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 7/4/23 at 4:18 pm to TygerDurden
Tyger,
I just started reading Dirt to Soil, but I have listened to quite a few podcast with Gabe Brown on them and a few with Dr Hainey.
I asked this question a few years back, how come everything the Lord plants grows without fertilizing, but man has to pour synthetic fertilizer into the ground to get stuff to grow in a healthy manner.
Honestly, I’m on a quest to understand how to cooperate with what the Lord has already created, and see the ground thrive. Hence the name, Restoring the Ground.
Wick,
That’s a great idea to reach out to Quail Forever. We did that for my Dads place a few years back and I got a lot of good information from that guy for my Dads place.
I just started reading Dirt to Soil, but I have listened to quite a few podcast with Gabe Brown on them and a few with Dr Hainey.
I asked this question a few years back, how come everything the Lord plants grows without fertilizing, but man has to pour synthetic fertilizer into the ground to get stuff to grow in a healthy manner.
Honestly, I’m on a quest to understand how to cooperate with what the Lord has already created, and see the ground thrive. Hence the name, Restoring the Ground.
Wick,
That’s a great idea to reach out to Quail Forever. We did that for my Dads place a few years back and I got a lot of good information from that guy for my Dads place.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 4:20 pm to turkish
Smith County Mississippi.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 4:38 pm to Outdoorreb
Reb,
I actually want both Old Field and Oak Savannah. I have some of the openings that I created with almost no trees left, where others have oaks about 40-50 ft apart.
I used On X last year to create a strategic burn plan with 75 percent of the property on a 4 year burn interval and the other 25 percent on a 2 yr burn interval. Then I got into the winter and realized that if I burned some of the areas where I wanted my trees to grow, that I would end up top killing a lot of the trees.
I looked at killing everything and replanting in long leaf pines, but I didn’t want a monoculture pine plantation.
I actually want both Old Field and Oak Savannah. I have some of the openings that I created with almost no trees left, where others have oaks about 40-50 ft apart.
I used On X last year to create a strategic burn plan with 75 percent of the property on a 4 year burn interval and the other 25 percent on a 2 yr burn interval. Then I got into the winter and realized that if I burned some of the areas where I wanted my trees to grow, that I would end up top killing a lot of the trees.
I looked at killing everything and replanting in long leaf pines, but I didn’t want a monoculture pine plantation.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 4:53 pm to Restoringtheground
Oh really, where in Smith are you? Also forget a sweet gum.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 5:13 pm to GREENHEAD22
Just north of Raleigh.
The piece I purchased was part of a family tract. I also signed a lease on the remaining portion of the family property with a first right of refusal to purchase.
The forester has managed the property for many years and is a great guy. He swears that sweet gum and hickory pulp wood brings as much or more than pine. The plan is to kill take all of the sweet gum and hickory when we do the thinning and then whatever else we can at the time. I may do one more thinning after that, but I never plan to clear cut again.
Once we thin, I’ll work on burning the thinned areas the next few years in August/September to make sure to kill all the young trees then burn on a three year rotation after that.
The piece I purchased was part of a family tract. I also signed a lease on the remaining portion of the family property with a first right of refusal to purchase.
The forester has managed the property for many years and is a great guy. He swears that sweet gum and hickory pulp wood brings as much or more than pine. The plan is to kill take all of the sweet gum and hickory when we do the thinning and then whatever else we can at the time. I may do one more thinning after that, but I never plan to clear cut again.
Once we thin, I’ll work on burning the thinned areas the next few years in August/September to make sure to kill all the young trees then burn on a three year rotation after that.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 5:57 pm to Restoringtheground
Okay, I am south of you. And I misunderstood, I thought you were planting sweet guns as something you wanted longterm.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 6:10 pm to Restoringtheground
This is awesome. I don’t own any land but maybe one day I will.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 10:12 pm to Restoringtheground
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I used On X last year to create a strategic burn plan with 75 percent of the property on a 4 year burn interval and the other 25 percent on a 2 yr burn interval
Don’t get too caught up with schedules. Let the species that are present tell you when to burn. Some of that 75% might need fire more often or less often. That is why I would break them up into smaller blocks.
Burning 75% at a single time will hurt your wildlife populations. What will happen to the species that live on those acres when you remove that much of an area? Those populations won’t be able to live on the remaining 25%. If your neighbors can hold them then you could do it, but I doubt your neighbors will be able to. Back in that time period there were millions of acres and when a fire would go through some they had plenty of other areas with same/similar habitats until the burned area grew back.
Not to mention an 150 acre fire won’t be fun to deal with.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 7:00 am to Outdoorreb
I should have given more details about the strategy. I broke the 75 % portion of the property down into 8 sections, where I would burn 2 sections per year. The sections will not touch or preferably even be close to each other. The goal is to keep diversity of habitat across the property.
The other 25 percent (old field) will be done the same way with it being done every 2 years and rotated all across the property. I’m also going to do late winter soil disturbance in these areas to help produce more forbs in the old field habitat.
I have some natural oak savanna areas on my hilltops. They have sporadic oak growth and they are heavy on native grasses. I may burn those yearly to see why the results are like and do a little bit of soil disturbance, but I really prefer those areas to follow their natural ecological pattern.
My next podcast, I’m going to talk about what an Old Field actually is, and talk about a few of the practices that I’m trying to make this happen.
Thank you for the input
The other 25 percent (old field) will be done the same way with it being done every 2 years and rotated all across the property. I’m also going to do late winter soil disturbance in these areas to help produce more forbs in the old field habitat.
I have some natural oak savanna areas on my hilltops. They have sporadic oak growth and they are heavy on native grasses. I may burn those yearly to see why the results are like and do a little bit of soil disturbance, but I really prefer those areas to follow their natural ecological pattern.
My next podcast, I’m going to talk about what an Old Field actually is, and talk about a few of the practices that I’m trying to make this happen.
Thank you for the input
Posted on 7/5/23 at 7:13 am to Restoringtheground
Nice, I'll give it a listen.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 9:23 am to catchyalater
I hope you have a plan for keeping those sweet gums under control after you cut them. I had a logger take out some sweet gums when I thinned my pines. 6-10 shoots sprouted from each stump so now my gum problem is worse than before I had them cut.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 9:50 am to Bayou Ken
Bayou Ken,
Absolutely will have to kill them. My first plan will be to run fire through the areas in late summer to kill them the year after they resprout. Then I will have to use herbicides to kill whatever is left.
It will be a lot of work no doubt.
Absolutely will have to kill them. My first plan will be to run fire through the areas in late summer to kill them the year after they resprout. Then I will have to use herbicides to kill whatever is left.
It will be a lot of work no doubt.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 12:56 pm to Restoringtheground
I didn’t plan very well and am having to go with the hack and squirt method. It’s Time consuming and requires lots of manual labor. I’m looking at using an aerial spray company to come in with a helicopter to kill the remaining gums. Price isn’t terrible.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 1:15 pm to Bayou Ken
quote:is it working? You’ll really shite a brick if/when they re-sprout next spring.
I didn’t plan very well and am having to go with the hack and squirt method. It’s Time consuming and requires lots of manual labor.
This post was edited on 7/5/23 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 7/5/23 at 1:21 pm to Bayou Ken
What size are they? If you can run fire through the area in September and scortch the base of the trunk of the tree, it will kill the majority of them because the energy is then trapped in the log of the tree.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 2:06 pm to Restoringtheground
Most of them are 5-8” in diameter so fire isn’t going to kill them. I used Hack and squirt in February and it has worked but there are too many gums for me to handle. Aerial spray company said it’s best to spray them around September as the sap starts to make its way back to the roots. I’m hesitant to burn as some of the areas but up to 1500 acres of timber company land with 4 year old pines.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 2:27 pm to Bayou Ken
My understanding is that fire will kill almost any size sweet gum in September if the fire girdles the base of the tree.
I may be wrong on that, but I would definitely talk to someone about that.
I understand the hesitation on burning. I highly recommend the burn certification course. Once certified, there are protections from Mississippi law if you follow all the guidelines
I may be wrong on that, but I would definitely talk to someone about that.
I understand the hesitation on burning. I highly recommend the burn certification course. Once certified, there are protections from Mississippi law if you follow all the guidelines
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