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Making the Case for Using The Big Gun for Deer

Posted on 1/11/21 at 7:37 am
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 1/11/21 at 7:37 am
TL;DR - .388 win mag does not kick offensively hard and does not blast deer into orbit. It is fun to shoot.


This year I started deer hunting with a .338 win mag and as expected, get lots of questions and some "wtf" looks about it. I bought the rifle for hunting out west and hopefully nilgi and eventually Alaska. Did lots of studying and decided I wanted a winchester model 70, found an extreme weather on sale for around $900 and ordered it. Talley lightweight rings and a leupold vx3 2.5-8x36 and I was ready to roll. Off to the range I go.

Lets talk about recoil first. The first question everyone asks is "how hard does it kick?" The internet is inundated with tales of people who prefer their .375 h&h to the .338 win mag because of the latter's fierce recoil. Stories of scope eye and people trying to find reduced loads, scopes being broken off, etc etc. Having shot a lightweight 375 a bunch of times, I knew that at least on paper, a rifle of the same weight shooting lighter bullets couldn't kick any harder. The winchester has a pachmeyrer kick pad and great b&c fiberglass stock. It can't be THAT bad, can it?

So I got my boresighted rifle full of 230gr norma oryx, propped up across the seat of my fourhweeler (the shooting table at 100 isn't very mobile), gritted my teeth for the impending detached retinas and dislocated shoulder and pulled the trigger. My first reaction was "damn that was it?" Moved the scope, sent another one, "this isn't bad at all!"

I ended up shooting several shots just for fun after I had it zeroed. Don't get me wrong, it does buck around a good bit but it is certainly not offensive or painful. From field positions its unnoticeable. A little more than a .300 win mag, nowhere near a .375 h&h. Nowhere near a 12ga slug. Since then I've put several 250gr loads through it and they're no worse.

So now I have a dilemma. I planned to hunt deer with some downloaded (.338 federal or slower) handloads because of the recoil. Well, recoil isn't that bad so let's shoot a doe with this thing and see how messy it gets.

Second question is "was there any meat left?" These are pretty tough bullets made for elk/bear/etc moving at moderate speeds. I think the 230s are around 2700 fps, about the same as heavy .30-06 bullets. .338 win mag is not the same animal as something like a .300 weatherby with lightweight bullets at 3500fps or however fast they are. Those are going to seriously grenade some meat. I figured these wouldn't open up all that much on a deer, and they were definitely going to penetrate well. If anything, I thought it would maybe be a little less effective than traditional deer calibers.

So I shoot a doe at 220 steps, hit it high enough in the shoulder to catch the bottom of the spine and obviously knock it over DRT. I had shot a doe in exactly the same spot last year with a .30-06/ 180gr partition so I had a good comparison. After cleaning it we found that the .30-06 had done significantly more meat damage than the .338. There was little bloodshot meat, small entrance and fair sized exit, and no nuclear grenade like destruction. With the '06 i had to throw out some backstrap. With the big gun, i just had to pick out the bone chunks. Since then I've been using the .338 exclusively just because its really fun to shoot stuff with it.

So in conclusion, dont be scared of a big gun. Learn good form, have a rifle that fits well, research a good load that will not self destruct or pencil hole through, and go have fun. I am nowhere near suggesting that it is ideal, or necessary or better or anything like that. Dont go buy a 338 win mag for your one gun to shoot does out the corn pile behind your house. Its just damn fun to shoot a big arse rifle, and if you like guns you should have one.
Posted by 10MTNTiger
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Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 1/11/21 at 7:48 am to
I regularly shoot a .375 H&H, will be hunting Nilgai with it in 3 weeks. The .338 recoil is noticeably sharper, not worse, just sharper than the .375. My .375 is a big shove whereas the .338 I’ve shot was a sharp punch.

I would be open to the .338, but as I have a .300 win mag and a .375 H&H ive never been able to justify it.
Posted by 257WBY
Member since Feb 2014
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Posted on 1/11/21 at 7:56 am to
The .338 WIN is a fine round, but the 300 magnums are much more versatile while still giving you plenty of punch on larger game. Going moose hunting? Shoot a 220 grain bullet. Deer hunting? Shoot a 165 grain bullet.
Posted by UpToPar
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Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 1/11/21 at 8:18 am to
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leupold vx3 2.5-8x36


Seems a little light in the britches for trips out west and to Alaska. Are you planning on upgrading?
Posted by ChatRabbit77
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2013
5857 posts
Posted on 1/11/21 at 8:22 am to
quote:


Seems a little light in the britches for trips out west and to Alaska. Are you planning on upgrading?


Enough to shoot out to 800. IDK what the issue is.
Posted by down time
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Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 1/11/21 at 8:22 am to
Nice write up. It doesn't take much to make the case at all. I've shot deer with 243, 7-08, 270, 7, 300, 35.

The 243 is a sweetheart. I dont remember losing any with it.

Most of the years I used a 270 until one season i filled my tags with the 7 mag. Deep inside as much as I hated to admit to myself, I knew it was better.



Posted by Uncs
Member since Aug 2008
3080 posts
Posted on 1/11/21 at 8:23 am to
If you are shooting 400 yards plus. Invest your money in over the top Optics. But most importantly, be fair to the animal and practice.

If you are inside 300 yards good optics and properly placed shot makes all the difference in the world.

Shot placement = practice practice practice
Posted by DownSouthJukin
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Member since Jan 2014
27171 posts
Posted on 1/11/21 at 8:26 am to
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winchester model 70, found an extreme weather


I've been eyeing them for years. How's the accuracy?
Posted by AlxTgr
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Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 1/11/21 at 9:09 am to
quote:

I regularly shoot a .375 H&H, will be hunting Nilgai with it in 3 weeks. The .338 recoil is noticeably sharper, not worse, just sharper than the .375. My .375 is a big shove whereas the .338 I’ve shot was a sharp punch.

I would not shoot either one. Yes, I am that scared of them.


Oh, and obligatory OP doesn't understand anything about rifle cartridges post.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 1/11/21 at 9:35 am to
Decent. Only shot that one load for groups and IIRC I think I was getting a little under 1.5" @ 100. The rifle itself is in IMO perfect. I wouldn't change anything about it.

As for the scope, I really like those little leupolds. I am not a 400+ yard shooter so 8x is plenty enough for me. I like the light weight and very long/forgiving eye relief.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 1/11/21 at 9:38 am to
I thought this would be about using a light fifty.

Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 1/11/21 at 9:38 am to
quote:

The .338 recoil is noticeably sharper, not worse, just sharper than the .375


How heavy is your 375? Mine was pretty light (same weight as my 338 about 8 pounds) and the recoil was significantly more disagreeable than the .338. The 375 was viscious and I shot it something like 30x in a day once and was sore for a week. The .338, at least the one I have, is a total pussycat in comparison.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 1/11/21 at 9:41 am to
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Yes, I am that scared of them.


Ever shot magnum buckshot out of a pump? Neither kicks as hard as that does.
Posted by Junky
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Member since Oct 2005
8351 posts
Posted on 1/11/21 at 9:57 am to
I went from a .270 to a 6.5 grendel and you’re over here going the other way

I’m not going to throw shade on the caliber choice. Confidence in the rifle is 95% of the battle.

How’s the ammo shortage hitting the .338 world?
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 1/11/21 at 9:58 am to
[quote]the 300 magnums are much more versatile

Yea, they probably are. When you need to overcompensate as much as I do though, the 300's just don't cut it. I got the biggest gun almost everywhere I go now!

I thought about getting a .300 but it wasn't exciting enough, and I think the .338 is a better fit for grizzly which is my bucket list hunt.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 1/11/21 at 9:59 am to
quote:

How’s the ammo shortage hitting the .338 world?


Now that we can unquestionably put in the "advantage" column. Its still readily available and I've been able to find plenty. I could buy more today if I wanted.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 1/11/21 at 10:02 am to
quote:

Ever shot magnum buckshot out of a pump?

Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
90409 posts
Posted on 1/11/21 at 10:08 am to
.50 BMG will ensure you don’t have cripples fwiw
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
19576 posts
Posted on 1/11/21 at 10:15 am to
Ahh, a good ole DWNSHFT thread.

Plan on campaigning for the use of A-10s while squirrel hunting next?

I try to hunt with my 30-30 as much as possible and you are going the other way.
Posted by Ron Cheramie
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Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 1/11/21 at 10:28 am to
Aren’t you the same poster who was saying there was absolutely no need for 3.5 inch shells for
duck/geese?
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