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Louisiana’s Redfish Population Has Collapsed
Posted on 8/20/22 at 10:22 am
Posted on 8/20/22 at 10:22 am
Posted on 8/20/22 at 10:36 am to voros79
Step 1: eliminate pogy boats now
Posted on 8/20/22 at 10:37 am to voros79
Just had the same conversation with a buddy I used to fish with a lot. He fished Venice last week and made a loop from south pass all the way to yuratich trying to put his grandson on fish and only caught a handful of fish. Dude is a great fisherman with a camp in Venice and several guide friends and normally stays on fish and can’t even put a box together.
My cousin went on a charter trip a couple weeks ago with a local Venice guide that fishes with several other local boats and they caught something like 3 fish.
LDWF definitely needs to address the limits and specifically the limit that charter boats can take, 30-50 boats fishing out of Venice 5-7 days a week hitting the same couple of points adds up quick
40 boats x 15fish x5 days a week = 3000fish
My cousin went on a charter trip a couple weeks ago with a local Venice guide that fishes with several other local boats and they caught something like 3 fish.
LDWF definitely needs to address the limits and specifically the limit that charter boats can take, 30-50 boats fishing out of Venice 5-7 days a week hitting the same couple of points adds up quick
40 boats x 15fish x5 days a week = 3000fish
Posted on 8/20/22 at 10:47 am to voros79
The popularity of nighttime bow fishing has also put a dent in redfish populations, I would think. But shooting "fish in a barrel" isn't that easy. But it's still more pressure.
I also think it's hurt duck populations. No where to roost if constantly being ran off by nighttime bow fishers.
Just my uneducated opinion.
I also think it's hurt duck populations. No where to roost if constantly being ran off by nighttime bow fishers.
Just my uneducated opinion.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 10:47 am to TheArrogantCorndog
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Step 1: eliminate pogy boats
Step 2: no more bowfishing
Step 3: no more guided fishing trips
Posted on 8/20/22 at 10:50 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
I wouldn't go that hard but definitely reduce limits for guides and the days of the week they can go out.
This post was edited on 8/20/22 at 10:55 am
Posted on 8/20/22 at 10:52 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Step 3: no more guided fishing trips
So only people who OWN a boat or know somebody that owns a boat should be able to fish from a boat? That's selfish and moronic thinking.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 10:56 am to voros79
Redfish probably moved just like the trout now that we have had some decently consistent salt water in the "old" areas that had been super fresh for the past few years. They only need saltwater to breed and what they really need is the higher calcium levels, not the salt. What is great for trout fishing has limited redfish some, but we still encounter them pretty regularly. Flounder are also making a good come back in the salt marshes.
Poggie boats are certainly a problem, and so are Asian "shrimp" boats that target flounder with trawls during migration. Hopefully the closed season on flounder eliminates the "shrimp" boat problem, but they really don't care about the law anyhow...
Poggie boats are certainly a problem, and so are Asian "shrimp" boats that target flounder with trawls during migration. Hopefully the closed season on flounder eliminates the "shrimp" boat problem, but they really don't care about the law anyhow...
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:03 pm to voros79
Yeah this has been brewing for a while.
I used to limit out on the kayak just a half mile from the boat ramp at Lake Hermitage, now I don't even see spooked redfish.
The same can be said of fishing the pontchartrain basin, or areas around hopedale.
The changes I've noticed that correspond to this are:
1. Pogie boats.
2. Way more people fishing. Pre-covid I would almost never see another boat, now it's any day of the week and marinas are full.
3. Surprised no one ever mentions this but hurricanes. The LA coast has been absolutely hammered by major storms almost every year for the last 5 years.
We can't do anything immediately to address mother nature and the changes it introduces. Likewise, redfish evolved in this type of ecosystem which has always seen changes.
What we can do is curtail harvests and curtail the pogie boats. Those pogies boats don't just take the bait fish, they kill breeding redfish indiscriminately.
We also should go to a TX or FL style limiting system. 3 per person, only one over slot.
The last thing we can do is decrease what we take in ourselves. Especially those of us who fish all the time. We do not need to keep fish that are only going to go in the freezer. Keep only what you can eat while it's fresh and release the rest.
We have seen very recently with the pogie boats that our regulators will not act fast enough or with enough force. So it falls on us to be stewards of our environment and set the example ourselves.
I used to limit out on the kayak just a half mile from the boat ramp at Lake Hermitage, now I don't even see spooked redfish.
The same can be said of fishing the pontchartrain basin, or areas around hopedale.
The changes I've noticed that correspond to this are:
1. Pogie boats.
2. Way more people fishing. Pre-covid I would almost never see another boat, now it's any day of the week and marinas are full.
3. Surprised no one ever mentions this but hurricanes. The LA coast has been absolutely hammered by major storms almost every year for the last 5 years.
We can't do anything immediately to address mother nature and the changes it introduces. Likewise, redfish evolved in this type of ecosystem which has always seen changes.
What we can do is curtail harvests and curtail the pogie boats. Those pogies boats don't just take the bait fish, they kill breeding redfish indiscriminately.
We also should go to a TX or FL style limiting system. 3 per person, only one over slot.
The last thing we can do is decrease what we take in ourselves. Especially those of us who fish all the time. We do not need to keep fish that are only going to go in the freezer. Keep only what you can eat while it's fresh and release the rest.
We have seen very recently with the pogie boats that our regulators will not act fast enough or with enough force. So it falls on us to be stewards of our environment and set the example ourselves.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:14 pm to dandyjohn
Close fishing in canals where the redfish stack up in the winter. You can just dip a net in and catch redfish.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:17 pm to armsdealer
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So only people who OWN a boat or know somebody that owns a boat should be able to fish from a boat?
Yes
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:24 pm to dandyjohn
quote:
decrease what we take in ourselves
While the charter boats and bowfishermen continue to lay waste to the coast?
The few I catch a year don't have shite to do with this problem.
This post was edited on 8/20/22 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:29 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
I was there for the gill net ban / boat launch blocking / hwy blocking days.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:29 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Hard to catch a limit right now anyway.
I've struggled mightt finding redfish in places that were dang near guaranteed before
I've struggled mightt finding redfish in places that were dang near guaranteed before
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:54 pm to voros79
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Louisiana’s Redfish Population Has Collapsed
BS but they do need to eliminate bow fishing reds and pogie boats must be prevented from catching anything but pogies and 100% allow everything else to be released alive or just end it all together
Posted on 8/20/22 at 1:14 pm to Ol boy
Why I agree that pogie boats and fishing pressure hasn’t helped the population, it’s also some of the hottest months which also doesn’t help.
Others have mentioned hurricanes, which I agree has decimated the coastline and hasn’t helped either.
I think areas are changing and the fish are adjusting.
There are still a massive amount of breeding redfish in the gulf and I honestly doubt the population has crashed
Others have mentioned hurricanes, which I agree has decimated the coastline and hasn’t helped either.
I think areas are changing and the fish are adjusting.
There are still a massive amount of breeding redfish in the gulf and I honestly doubt the population has crashed
Posted on 8/20/22 at 1:29 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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While the charter boats and bowfishermen continue to lay waste to the coast?
That's why I said change the limits. 5 -> 3 would be an immediate 40% reduction in harvests assuming all other variables stay the same.
There are other things too, like better enforcement. I also almost never see green jeans and I have never in my life been asked to show my catch or my license.
There's a lot of options, but it would be hypocritical to say I care about the population of these fish and continue to take more than I need.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 1:59 pm to dandyjohn
Why all the hate for bowfishing? What does it matter the method the fish are taken as long as you follow limit/size regulations
Posted on 8/20/22 at 2:01 pm to dandyjohn
I’ve noticed it has gotten bad with redfish population the last few years. I grew up in the Venice area and there were tons of redfish growing up, even during the gill net days. Venice was pretty much a haven for redfish. You could pretty much catch them on any point out in the bays. Now it’s tough to catch a limit.
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