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AlxTgr
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re: Louisiana Legislature Fails to Override Veto of Constitutional Carry Bill


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CarRamrod
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re: Louisiana Legislature Fails to Override Veto of Constitutional Carry Bill
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hy are alot of you so opposed to firearms training
i havent read anywhere, where someone opposes this.

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and licensing?
all it is is a money grab and power flex.


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CarRamrod
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re: Louisiana Legislature Fails to Override Veto of Constitutional Carry Bill
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Rights shouldn't have costs or be inconvenienced.


Now switch this to voting. This is the exact argument those who argue against providing an ID or having to go to a polling place to vote make.

shows how idiotic you are if you think thats the same thing.


Mr Wonderful
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re: Louisiana Legislature Fails to Override Veto of Constitutional Carry Bill
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If it's your right under the constitution, why do you need the legislature?


We don’t. Concealed carry permits are unconstitutional, like many other statutes.


AlxTgr
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re: Louisiana Legislature Fails to Override Veto of Constitutional Carry Bill
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Concealed carry permits are unconstitutional, like many other statutes.



CarRamrod
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re: Louisiana Legislature Fails to Override Veto of Constitutional Carry Bill
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Concealed carry permits are unconstitutional, like many other statutes.



reading through this thread i have no idea which side of the aisle you are on... you go back and forth with what you agree with


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tonydtigr
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re: Louisiana Legislature Fails to Override Veto of Constitutional Carry Bill
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then call me names because I call you out on it


Awww! Did someone hurt your feelings?

I'm absolutely amazed that you cannot see the irony about obtaining a license or ID being discriminatory, but not discriminatory at the same time.

I do think training is probably good for some people, and should be encouraged for those who did not grow up around weapons. If it's legal to purchase and own a weapon, the distinction between who can open and who can concealed carry should not be decided with a fee or a tax. Thats just a money grab.

The Sheriffs Association does not want to see this go away because so many of their guys teach these courses. I've personally spoken to many retired officers who were all in favor of Constitutional carry, so opinion among law enforcement is in reality split. As people said before in this thread, the Sheriffs are one of the most powerful groups in Louisiana and when they take a side in an issue, they tend to get their way.

I was grandfathered into being able to drive a boat and was taught at a young age by older relatives. Due to this,I have not had the time or desire to take the state boating course. I'm sure many of us feel the same way about Constitutional carry, as they were trained by their older relatives, when they were kids.

Do you really think that the people in Texas and Mississippi are that much better than Louisiana people are at gun safety, and that in those states citizens just innately know how to handle their weapons while we don't? Their lawmakers decided in the favor of the people, not some extremely vocal special interest group.

Sounds like we need to replace our lawmakers with better ones.



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AlxTgr
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re: Louisiana Legislature Fails to Override Veto of Constitutional Carry Bill
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Awww! Did someone hurt your feelings?
If you got that from this exchange, you need serious help

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I'm absolutely amazed that you cannot see the irony about obtaining a license or ID being discriminatory, but not discriminatory at the same time.

I have no idea what you're talking about. I made no comment about that, nor the rest of your post.



stein_burgundy
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re: Louisiana Legislature Fails to Override Veto of Constitutional Carry Bill
Concealed carry permits as they are currently setup are a money grab by the state plain and simple.

There is nothing stopping a “legal” individual of age from driving to a gun store purchasing a pistol and open carrying it on his hip. But no way can we let that same individual hide his gun under his shirt. Now he must spend $200 on a class, pass a shooting test, be fingerprinted by the state, and purchase a permit that expires for more money.

Concealed carry permits are the inspection stickers(brake tags) of the firearm world. Just a way to inconvenience and rob a law abiding citizen of his time and hard earned money.

We submit to background checks to work (TWIC) and a background check to travel (passports). A concealed carry permit should be no different than buying a hunting license. Drive to Walmart, purchase my lifetime concealed carry permit and be on my way.
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lotik
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re: Louisiana Legislature Fails to Override Veto of Constitutional Carry Bill
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Concealed carry permits are a money grab by the state plain and simple.


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We submit to background checks to work (TWIC) and a background check to travel (passports). A concealed carry permit should be no different than buying a hunting license. Drive to Walmart, purchase my lifetime concealed carry permit and be on my way.



I'm confused. Are you for or against permitting concealed carry?


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mdomingue
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re: Louisiana Legislature Fails to Override Veto of Constitutional Carry Bill
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Rights shouldn't have costs or be inconvenienced.


Now switch this to voting. This is the exact argument those who argue against providing an ID or having to go to a polling place to vote make.

shows how idiotic you are if you think thats the same thing.




Shows how woefully uninformed you are if you don't realize the exact same argument has been made in reference to voter IDs or remote voting.

And your reasoning ability is suspect if can't understanding saying the same argument has been made about two things is not saying the two things are the same.


Rando
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re: Louisiana Legislature Fails to Override Veto of Constitutional Carry Bill
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Shows how woefully uninformed you are if you don't realize the exact same argument has been made in reference to voter IDs or remote voting.

And your reasoning ability is suspect if can't understanding saying the same argument has been made about two things is not saying the two things are the same.


I need everyone in this thread to get slightly better at using the english language.


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stein_burgundy
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re: Louisiana Legislature Fails to Override Veto of Constitutional Carry Bill
I’m not against the idea of the permit to be covered when traveling to and through other states. I am 100% against the way it is setup in our state. My previous statement was that it should not require all the hoops we have to jump through as well as the cost.

As a pipe dream, if all states passed constitutional carry there would be no need for a permit at all. Unfortunately that will never happen.


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oldskule
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re: Louisiana Legislature Fails to Override Veto of Constitutional Carry Bill
anybody who does not defend the 2A!!!!!!


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Hurricane Mike
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re: Louisiana Legislature Fails to Override Veto of Constitutional Carry Bill
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The 23-15 vote fell three votes shy of the 26 needed to meet a two-thirds majority as required by the state constitution.


I've said it before and I will say it again. frick every Republican that doesn't align with the Constitution, Trump, or the Freedom Caucus.

And don't come asking for money or votes, because the answer will be the same, go frick yourself


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Scoob
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re: Louisiana Legislature Fails to Override Veto of Constitutional Carry Bill
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Concealed carry permits are a money grab by the state plain and simple.


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We submit to background checks to work (TWIC) and a background check to travel (passports). A concealed carry permit should be no different than buying a hunting license. Drive to Walmart, purchase my lifetime concealed carry permit and be on my way.



I'm confused. Are you for or against permitting concealed carry?
Here's my take on the matter;

Constitutionally, I think you have the right to be armed. You can lose that right by committing certain acts, which is the case today.
If you have the right to OWN a gun, you SHOULD have the right to carry it. As you currently do, with the Open Carry law in place. If you can open carry, you should be legally allowed to conceal carry.

The logic behind it all is pretty clear- a person has the right to carry a handgun for defense. How they carry should be their discretion.

Police safety- any traffic stop could be dangerous. You don't need a license to have a gun in your car, the concept of a truck gun is very real. That's why you keep your hands visible when you get pulled over. Yet, there's not a big epidemic of shootouts on traffic stops, the vast majority are uneventful. The person who has a gun in the car, would not suddenly go nuts just by having that gun inside his waistband while walking around.


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re: Louisiana Legislature Fails to Override Veto of Constitutional Carry Bill
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AlxTgr
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re: Louisiana Legislature Fails to Override Veto of Constitutional Carry Bill
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Scoob


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Galactic Inquisitor
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re: Louisiana Legislature Fails to Override Veto of Constitutional Carry Bill
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Rights shouldn't have costs or be inconvenienced. That would make it a privilege.


Oh, but what about the right to vote?

ETA - Never mind, I see that argument has already been obfuscated along party lines.
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