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"Keep your better tires on the rear wheels"

Posted on 5/4/17 at 8:15 pm
Posted by CaptainBrannigan
Good Ole Rocky Top Tennessee
Member since Jan 2010
21644 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 8:15 pm
Went in to the local oil change place to get a rotate and balance. The tech told me he would recommend against it because my better tires are already on the rear. I asked why, He tells me the Dept of Transportation did a 10 year study and the rear tires need to be best to prevent hydroplaneing.

Anyone ever hear this nonsense? I want my best tires in the front because if a blowout happens on the wheels that steer, you are screwed. It is a ploy to sell more tires more often because oil changes have gone down.
Posted by Geaux23
Member since Sep 2012
5984 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 8:18 pm to
Saw a sign like this at the discount tire in pville today
Posted by Chuker
St George, Louisiana
Member since Nov 2015
7544 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 8:18 pm to
It is known.
Posted by Croacka
Denham Springs
Member since Dec 2008
61451 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 8:28 pm to
quote:

if a blowout happens on the wheels that steer, you are screwed. I


Not really
Posted by Slim Chance
Member since Oct 2012
1627 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 8:34 pm to
Most national tire shops, if you only buy 2 tires, will put the new tires on the rear, no exceptions due to liability concerns. I agree, it doesn't make sense, but I'm no tire engineer so I would assume people smarter than me figured it out and are correct.
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
13057 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 8:48 pm to
Only everyone that works in the auto industry or knows anything about tires.

I've always been told the better tires go on the rear. The rear tires are what provide stability. The deeper treads on newer tires will handle water better, and will grip the road better than older tires with worn treads.

Same reason bald tires are bad. No grip.

As far as blowouts...you think you can't blow out a new tire just as easily as an old one? New, old...they can all be punctured if hit right. Trust me, I know. I put 4 new tires on my truck 2 years ago, and have replaced tires 3 times since then because of punctures. Still have 2 of the original 4.
This post was edited on 5/4/17 at 8:51 pm
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
19976 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 8:48 pm to
They are right, you want the best tires on the rear. FWD, RWD, doesn't matter. Steering input can correct a front skid, will do absolutely nothing if the rear skids.
Posted by cajuncarguy
On the road...Again!
Member since Jun 2013
3135 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:06 pm to
This is plain wrong and inaccurate. If you put the best tires on the rear do you never rotate them? Then the best are on the front. If you don't rotate them the fronts will wear out first and you have to buy new tires. Thus this is why tire shops recommend this... to sell more tires.

I have been around tires, dealer service departments and factory engineers for over 40 years and this new theory is not supported by reality.

If you have a flat, your vehicle is a lot more stable and controllable if your steering wheels are both round, inflated and have the same drag and directional stability as each other. You have to be able to steer. It doesn't matter if you have FWD or RWD.

I have asked several a OEM engineers recently about this new recommendation and they are of the same opinion as I. Marketing.
Posted by upgrade
Member since Jul 2011
15136 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:16 pm to
All of the trucks I've ever had wear front tires uneven and rear tires even. So I've always rotated them when they start to get uneven. I get a front end alignment every time I get new tires. I'm talking mud grips, though. Street tires probably wear much better on the front. I guess I can buy into their reasoning, it may be true, but it kinda sounds like tire guys wanting to sell more tires.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
19976 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:19 pm to
It's not a new theory and there is decades of motorsports racing research to support what they are recommending here. Sudden braking, slick pavement, combination of both happen far more often than sudden flats. I've had a front tire and a rear tire blow out on a truck a few weeks apart at highway speeds. Front blow out was easily more controllable than the rear tire blow out. You need to correct yourself and whatever "engineers" you've been talking to.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
88024 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:27 pm to
Then rotation can never happen again.
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
31974 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:27 pm to
Are the tires on front wearing in a bad way? If so, I agree,keep the good tires on the back,until you do an alignment,other than that, I would rather have the good tires on front,because the front brakes do 75% of your braking,that's where you need the best grip.
Posted by MrCoachKlein
Member since Sep 2010
10310 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:45 pm to
quote:

If you don't rotate them the fronts will wear out first and you have to buy new tires



This.

Any other answer is absurd, if you can't rotate your tires to even them out then it's time for a new pair.
Posted by MrCoachKlein
Member since Sep 2010
10310 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:47 pm to
quote:

motorsports racing research


They replace their tires more in several hours than most do in five years
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
19976 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:57 pm to
quote:

Then rotation can never happen again.


If you rotate your tires like you should then there should never be enough difference to matter that much. Going 15k to 20k miles before rotating them and you deserve to have problems.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
19976 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 10:00 pm to
quote:

They replace their tires more in several hours than most do in five years


And the research helps drive OEM development. It figures if they are going through lots of tires then they tend to figure things out better than Billy the tire buster that shoots the lugnuts on with everything the impact has.
Posted by MrCoachKlein
Member since Sep 2010
10310 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 10:02 pm to
I understand that, but I also don't believe the compounds/conditions are really even comparable. The guy is trying to wear out her tires so she comes back for more IMO, but to each his own
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
19976 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 10:06 pm to
quote:

I would rather have the good tires on front,because the front brakes do 75% of your braking,that's where you need the best grip.


The issue isn't just braking, but also handling in slick conditions. Also, as tires wear, they actually expose more rubber surface to the road which is a built-in feature of their design. In dry braking this is great but when it rains it means they won't channel water as well.

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Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
19976 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 10:11 pm to
quote:

The guy is trying to wear out her tires so she comes back for more IMO, but to each his own


No, because that means more pitstops and wasted time. The guy wants his tires to last as long as possible while maintaining proper grip. New tires will change handling characteristics, the driver has to get used to those changes every time the tires are swapped out.
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
74900 posts
Posted on 5/5/17 at 2:19 am to
"keep the best tires on the drive wheels"

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