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re: "Keep your better tires on the rear wheels"

Posted on 5/5/17 at 6:59 am to
Posted by TigerHunting
Zachary LoUiSiAna
Member since Jan 2016
61 posts
Posted on 5/5/17 at 6:59 am to
One answer LAWYERS!

So...Get your tires rotated... then later, change front tires!

Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
88026 posts
Posted on 5/5/17 at 7:20 am to
15 is too much?
Posted by nguyt518
Member since Apr 2015
207 posts
Posted on 5/5/17 at 8:29 am to
LINK

Video, as per michelin, on why the better tires should be mounted on the rear.
Posted by BiggerBear
Redbone Country
Member since Sep 2011
3165 posts
Posted on 5/5/17 at 9:27 am to
Probably not. 10 is the sweet spot IMO, at least for AT and street tires.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
88026 posts
Posted on 5/5/17 at 9:29 am to
Just added something to my to do list. I already got an artechoke for tomorrow
Posted by BiggerBear
Redbone Country
Member since Sep 2011
3165 posts
Posted on 5/5/17 at 11:12 am to
quote:

artichoke


What, no okra?
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
88026 posts
Posted on 5/5/17 at 11:13 am to
No, but considering celery
Posted by CaptainBrannigan
Good Ole Rocky Top Tennessee
Member since Jan 2010
21644 posts
Posted on 5/5/17 at 12:18 pm to
quote:

Only everyone that works in the auto industry or knows anything about tires.



You don't know my background, so don't talk to me like that.

When I worked at a tire place in college it was better tires on the front. Now a dozen years later it is different. So it can't he this had been can't on forever.

Basically you have done nothing to prove better tires need to be in the rear. Of course people who sell tires will want then to wear out more quickly, so thier ideas are skewed for profit.
Posted by cajuncarguy
On the road...Again!
Member since Jun 2013
3135 posts
Posted on 5/5/17 at 12:34 pm to
quote:

You need to correct yourself


I have been involved in OEM service related consulting with GM, Ford and Toyota for since 1988. I have put many dealers in the tire business and was involved in many training programs for service personnel in tire specs, technical training and sales to the public. Before that I was a OEM Service Director and Bridgestone dealer.

The engineers I refer to are true OEM engineers. In fact one was investigating an lawsuit involved accident with tire maintenance issues.

Putting the worst tires on the rear is just plain dangerous and is a fad.

Corrected.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
88026 posts
Posted on 5/5/17 at 12:41 pm to
quote:

Putting the worst tires on the rear is just plain dangerous and is a fad.

Yet is what happens every time you rotate.
Posted by culsutiger
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 5/5/17 at 2:08 pm to
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This post was edited on 2/14/18 at 11:11 pm
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 5/5/17 at 2:14 pm to
quote:

If you'd rather maintain control of your vehicle, put the good tires on the back.




I'll keep the better tires on the axle that is responsible for all of the steering and most of the braking.

If your tires are in such bad shape that normal driving results in the rear passing the front, you were wrecking regardless of where those tires were mounted.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
88026 posts
Posted on 5/5/17 at 2:19 pm to
quote:

If you're cool with the arse end of your car passing you in the rain, put the better tires on the front.

If you'd rather maintain control of your vehicle, put the good tires on the back.
WAY overblown.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
88026 posts
Posted on 5/5/17 at 2:25 pm to
quote:

Tirerack: LINK ;

popular mechanics: LINK

Cartalk: LINK

Tire Industry Association: LINK

Tire Review: LINK

Michelin: LINK

Consumer Reports: LINK

Goodyear: LINK

Firestone: LINK

Every one of these, that works, is about mixing in new tires with old.

The OP said,
quote:

to get a rotate and balance
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
19985 posts
Posted on 5/5/17 at 2:26 pm to
And yet the engineers that design the tires, study traction control, vehicle stability, tire/surface adhesion dynamics, etc. all make the same recommendation and have done so for years. Somehow you think you know something that, if true, would at least garner the attention of insurance companies. Nice try but no cigar.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
19985 posts
Posted on 5/5/17 at 2:32 pm to
quote:

Every one of these, that works, is about mixing in new tires with old.

The OP said,


In the OP's case, the effect would be the same. At some point, if tires have not been rotated as the should have been, then there isn't much of a point. The whole point of rotating and balacing is to maintain even wear, not correct tires that have gone too far.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
88026 posts
Posted on 5/5/17 at 2:33 pm to
The funny extension of this is, never mix in new tires or rotate at all. Just keep buying new tires, 2 at a time
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
88026 posts
Posted on 5/5/17 at 2:34 pm to
I mean, every time it's time to rotate, the fronts will be a tiny bit worse than the rear. So, the good tires stay on the rear.
Posted by Pirate0714
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2016
514 posts
Posted on 5/5/17 at 2:38 pm to
He went in for a rotate and balance yes but technician recommended it because of safety concern so it is in play. Best rubber on rear is industry standard now. Work in the business and can tell you definitively you want your best rubber on the rear. Have taken Bridgestone, Continental, Michelin, Goodyear driving tests with instructors on different types of tires for selling purposes but have also driven in wet road conditions to demonstrate new rubber on back vs front theory. Better rubber on the rear in FWD, RWD, AWD, did not matter. Your arse end every time on every course flies around when your best rubber is on the front. Never did when best was on the rear. That being said.... we are talking near bald tires vs brand new tires in all of these demonstrations. 1-2 32nd's of rubber between the back and front never really made an impact. Bet your arse though on any drive type bald tires on the rear suck driving in the rain and you are way more likely to spin out than new on the rear. Rotate tires every 5-6K, proper air pressure, and alignment every 20-30K and you should be good.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
19985 posts
Posted on 5/5/17 at 2:46 pm to
A "tiny bit" isn't the issue though. When you've gone 30k miles and the shoulders are down to the last 1/8th of an inch before showing cords, then it's a problem. Also, depending on the vehicle and driver, the rear tires could actually have more wear than the fronts so your issue is self-resolving.
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