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re: Increased Statutory Responsibilities of Gun Ownership
Posted on 5/18/18 at 12:14 pm to HDAU
Posted on 5/18/18 at 12:14 pm to HDAU
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Would a law requiring gun owners to take reasonable measures to keep their firearms out of the hands of crazies (and placing legal/civil liability on them if they don't) be a good compromise?
What other amendment to the Constitution would you have Congress limit with reasonable measures? The 1st, 4th, 9th?
Posted on 5/18/18 at 12:16 pm to lsufan1971
What we need is common sense gun regulation!
We can start by repealing the 1934 NFA.
We can start by repealing the 1934 NFA.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 12:20 pm to HDAU
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I don't know, but if they knew about it, or should have known about it, the blood of the innocent kids is on their hands too! I don't think that putting strict liability on a parent for the actions of their teen is the solution either. Frankly, I don't know what the solution is. I am just afraid if we, as responsible gun owners, do not respond to the outcry from the vocal left with anything more than a loud, "Don't take our guns!" innocent people will continue to die and at some point, we will not have a voice in the conversation
I can guarantee that if you give them left an inch they will take 10 miles as is the case with everything they do
Posted on 5/18/18 at 12:21 pm to HDAU
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I don't want to have the conversation with the OT crazies
Posted on 5/18/18 at 12:24 pm to HDAU
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I am just afraid if we, as responsible gun owners, do not respond to the outcry from the vocal left with anything more than a loud, "Don't take our guns!" innocent people will continue to die and at some point, we will not have a voice in the conversation.
Maybe we should wait and see if this person was another psycho that everyone knew was a psycho and didn't do anything about it.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 12:25 pm to HDAU
I don't know what the solution is, but I know that trying to control whatever weapon people use to do these things is a waste of time. When we stop focusing on HOW this is happening and find the answer as to WHY this is happening, we will be closer to a solution. Personally, I think the problem is multifaceted, involving crowded human populations living in a simulated world where we no longer really go outside and see the efforts of our labor. We're a bunch of mentally ill apes living in boxes spending all our time thinking about meaningless fabrications we see in the digital world. But, that's just the opinion of this particular mentally ill ape.
This post was edited on 5/18/18 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 5/18/18 at 12:29 pm to HDAU
Yes. A law requiring people to be more responsible with their guns will assuredly make unresponsible people more responsible.
This post was edited on 5/18/18 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 5/18/18 at 12:33 pm to HDAU
Really no solution. Society is pushing to where there is no value for your own life or no one else's life. This world is in a sad state of affairs!!!
Posted on 5/18/18 at 12:36 pm to Swampman
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Society is pushing to where there is no value for your own life or no one else's life. This world is in a sad state of affairs!!!
Said every generation throughout history despite the fact we're a more civil society than we've ever been.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 12:40 pm to Swampman
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Really no solution
Sure there is; if leftists would get the hell out of everyone's business, stop calling white people racist for everything they do, learn to agree to disagree, enforce/obey all laws and leave the Constitution alone, a lot this stupidity would cease.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 12:56 pm to HDAU
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In light of another school shooting with multiple fatalities,
We had one less when an armed guard stopped the assailant. Gun free zones are nothing more than mass murder zones. I'm all about arming guards, cops and good citizens.
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What does the OT think about increasing the responsibilities of gun ownership?
As an NFA owner I have to caution some of you about government mandates regarding firearms. You guys don't know what you're going to get into with having the government regulate how "responsible" you have to be. Look at how many times new NFA owners here have to ask what form to use (5320.20) before they can move their title 2 items to a new location. Takes over 2 months to get approved. Sometimes longer. There is no way a mandatory storage law will not attract said feature of the NFA. Perhaps not initially but it will be on the horizon. Some doors you don't want to open.
The other issue is many think a safe is actually a deterrent. Youtube has numerous videos showing how just one person with a crowbar can crack a safe open in less time a cop can get to your house and a write a burglary report up. I guarantee after mandating safe storage that the next step and there will be a next step is make gun owners responsible for any crime committed with a stolen firearm. This is another door we don't need to open.
I think a better approach would be to address why our federal law enforcement has dropped the ball multiple times, why we have had so few prosections on denied gun purchasers and address our societal ills.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 1:02 pm to Kino74
Thanks, Kino74. This is the type of response I was hoping for and why I brought it to the OB.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 1:07 pm to Kino74
Along those lines, how well do you think it would work out with a bunch of damed idiots and liars writing the laws to "make firearm owners responsible"?
The left either doesn't know what the hell they're talking about or absolutely lie to push their agenda. There are a hell of a lot out there on the right that have no idea as well. Is that what you want out there writing laws about our rights?
I sure as hell don't.
The left either doesn't know what the hell they're talking about or absolutely lie to push their agenda. There are a hell of a lot out there on the right that have no idea as well. Is that what you want out there writing laws about our rights?
I sure as hell don't.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 1:19 pm to HDAU
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Would a law requiring gun owners to take reasonable measures to keep their firearms out of the hands of crazies (and placing legal/civil liability on them if they don't) be a good compromise?
I'm not a mind reader, so why would I need to accept responsibility for another person's decisions.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 1:22 pm to bbvdd
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The left either doesn't know what the hell they're talking about or absolutely lie to push their agenda
Both
Posted on 5/18/18 at 1:31 pm to Wtodd
The issue isn't about guns. The issue is that there's no resources to deal with kids/people that raise obvious red flags. The FBI dropped the ball on the Florida shooter, but his name wasn't unknown when it came to trouble. The people that knows he's a troublemaker contacted everyone and there was really nothing to do with him.
We can't just keep ignoring the red flags and throwing these dudes back on the streets. There needs to be some sort of reform school or something between highschool and college aged kids that offer real mental health help AND teach these guys a trade to get back into society. There needs to be an anonymous hotline where you can call a mental health check on someone. I'd glady offer up some extra tax dollars to have a place to put these people besides jail.
Banning guns or waiting for the legal system to deal with these people simply won't work.
We can't just keep ignoring the red flags and throwing these dudes back on the streets. There needs to be some sort of reform school or something between highschool and college aged kids that offer real mental health help AND teach these guys a trade to get back into society. There needs to be an anonymous hotline where you can call a mental health check on someone. I'd glady offer up some extra tax dollars to have a place to put these people besides jail.
Banning guns or waiting for the legal system to deal with these people simply won't work.
This post was edited on 5/18/18 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 5/18/18 at 1:37 pm to 14ft_flat_matt
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You are one dumb a hole
Smart enough to properly quote.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 2:01 pm to HDAU
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Thanks, Kino74. This is the type of response I was hoping for and why I brought it to the OB.
You're welcome. We need to relax and talk about why things are. I'm not an old man at 43 but old enough to have seen numerous laws fail for a number of reasons. What I really see nowadays is we have some people unfamiliar with currents laws and firearms uses. Now these people are generally good people but if people that have real firearm knowledge don't step up and educate them then those good intentioned people will be led to making bad decisions regarding our rights.
People can be reached.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 2:09 pm to HDAU
If we are going to go down this road, we should also increase statutory responsibilities on car owners. If you leave your car unlocked and someone steals it or something in it, you should be held accountable for the crime, any damage done by the criminal, and forfeit all insurance proceeds due.
Don't you think that would help cut down on vehicle theft / break in crime? I say we punish all the good car owners bc criminals like to break into and steal them.
Don't you think that would help cut down on vehicle theft / break in crime? I say we punish all the good car owners bc criminals like to break into and steal them.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 2:23 pm to td1
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If we are going to go down this road, we should also increase statutory responsibilities on car owners.
The tort of negligent entrustment is already claimed by plaintiff attorneys in cases where somebody negligently let somebody drive their vehicle who shouldn't have been driving it and that person causes a wreck that injures somebody else.
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