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Increased Statutory Responsibilities of Gun Ownership
Posted on 5/18/18 at 11:20 am
Posted on 5/18/18 at 11:20 am
In light of another school shooting with multiple fatalities, I think this problem is definitely something worth talking about but I don't want to have the conversation with the OT crazies. I personally do not believe the solution is banning the purchase of firearms, nor do I think we can sit back and wait for people to decide to quit killing each other. What does the OT think about increasing the responsibilities of gun ownership? In particular, a legal duty to take reasonable measures to prevent your firearms from ending up in the wrong hands. I don't think it would be too much to ask/require for us to either carry a firearm or secure it. What says the OB?
TL;DR: Would a law requiring gun owners to take reasonable measures to keep their firearms out of the hands of crazies (and placing legal/civil liability on them if they don't) be a good compromise?
Edited OB/OT Typo
TL;DR: Would a law requiring gun owners to take reasonable measures to keep their firearms out of the hands of crazies (and placing legal/civil liability on them if they don't) be a good compromise?
Edited OB/OT Typo
This post was edited on 5/18/18 at 11:30 am
Posted on 5/18/18 at 11:22 am to HDAU
The only people that are going to benefit from what you're proposing are lawyers.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 11:26 am to HDAU
First off, this is the OB. Secondly, there is zero credible evidence that mandatory safe storage laws work at any level. People are either responsible, or they are not, and another law doesn't change that.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 11:28 am to HDAU
I dont see this making a bit of difference... plus it seems like any prosecution would just be reactive to punish someone after a shooting occurs. We need proactive solutions to the problem that will actually stop shootings before they occur.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 11:30 am to HDAU
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Responsibilities of Gun Ownership
Anyone and I mean anyone that needs this to be explained should not have a gun.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 11:35 am to Clames
My favorite is when they say there should be mandatory training programs for ownership as if people are killing each other because they don't know how to properly handle a gun safely
Posted on 5/18/18 at 11:37 am to HDAU
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Would a law requiring gun owners to take reasonable measures to keep their firearms out of the hands of crazies
These platitudes are always fun. What do you consider "reasonable measures"?
Posted on 5/18/18 at 11:38 am to upgrayedd
There are no less the three guns at my house that are out right now.
Hell, I'm pretty sure there is an AR in the trunk of my side by side. And it's sitting under the carport with the keys in it.
Why? Because hitting my neighbors house with an AR would be a rough shot.
Hell, I'm pretty sure there is an AR in the trunk of my side by side. And it's sitting under the carport with the keys in it.
Why? Because hitting my neighbors house with an AR would be a rough shot.
This post was edited on 5/18/18 at 11:42 am
Posted on 5/18/18 at 11:38 am to upgrayedd
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My favorite is when they say there should be mandatory training programs for ownership as if people are killing each other because they don't know how to properly handle a gun safely
No shite huh
Posted on 5/18/18 at 11:51 am to HDAU
quote:you mean the politicizing of mentally ill kids who attack the defenseless?
I think this problem is definitely something worth talking about
Posted on 5/18/18 at 11:53 am to AuburnTigers
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you mean the politicizing of mentally ill kids who attack the defenseless?
Nah, I mean attempting to make it more difficult for mentally ill kids to attack the defenseless without infringing on the rights of responsible gun owners.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 11:55 am to HDAU
Apparently this kid used a shotgun. My son has his own shotgun but has been taught gun safety all his life and knows the damage a gun can do and the consequences of his actions.
Let me ask you this. This kid that did the shooting apparently had a sawed off shotgun (illegal). How do you think he was able to take a gun and cut the barrel off and I assume stock without the parents knowing?
Let me ask you this. This kid that did the shooting apparently had a sawed off shotgun (illegal). How do you think he was able to take a gun and cut the barrel off and I assume stock without the parents knowing?
Posted on 5/18/18 at 11:55 am to HDAU
you mean like the government did with Fast and Furious?
Posted on 5/18/18 at 11:56 am to bbvdd
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Apparently this kid used a shotgun
Should be interesting how the "We just want to ban assault rifles" crowd runs with this one
Posted on 5/18/18 at 12:00 pm to upgrayedd
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Should be interesting how the "We just want to ban assault rifles" crowd runs with this one
As in "shotguns have always been considered an assault weapon"....
Posted on 5/18/18 at 12:00 pm to X123F45
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Pretty sure my AR is in the car with the keys in it
You are one dumb a hole
This post was edited on 5/18/18 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 5/18/18 at 12:01 pm to X123F45
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Why? Because hitting my neighbors house with an AR would be a rough shot.
Get better optics
Posted on 5/18/18 at 12:02 pm to HDAU
the last thing we need is more government ineptness telling us how to store firearms and be a responsible gun owner. That should be left to the gun owner to decide. I keep all my guns in a gun safe besides my EDC because I have a 3 y/o running around the house and he is not ready to learn about firearm safety and he will be taught and trained when he is old enough to understand.
But placing rules and regulations on gun owners which already exceed the 2nd amendment won't do a damn thing to stop criminals from stealing weapons or purchasing them out of the trunk of a car. We have laws against murder, theft, rape and drugs but everyone one of those get broken millions of times a day. So now we are going to hold a homeowner who's house is broken into responsible if a gun of his falls into the hands of a criminal and is used in the commission of a crime. To me that is opening pandora's box and as we have seen once something becomes a law or regulation it isn't ever going to be taken back.
I can could kill someone very easily with a knife so now am I responsible for storing my kitchen utensils in a safe place so they don't get taken in a robbery and used for nefarious purposes, or what about my car being stolen and used to run over people at a parade
But placing rules and regulations on gun owners which already exceed the 2nd amendment won't do a damn thing to stop criminals from stealing weapons or purchasing them out of the trunk of a car. We have laws against murder, theft, rape and drugs but everyone one of those get broken millions of times a day. So now we are going to hold a homeowner who's house is broken into responsible if a gun of his falls into the hands of a criminal and is used in the commission of a crime. To me that is opening pandora's box and as we have seen once something becomes a law or regulation it isn't ever going to be taken back.
I can could kill someone very easily with a knife so now am I responsible for storing my kitchen utensils in a safe place so they don't get taken in a robbery and used for nefarious purposes, or what about my car being stolen and used to run over people at a parade
This post was edited on 5/18/18 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 5/18/18 at 12:08 pm to Centinel
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The only people that are going to benefit from what you're proposing are lawyers.
You're exactly right. All this does is add another pocket to try to empty on the back end.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 12:13 pm to bbvdd
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Let me ask you this. This kid that did the shooting apparently had a sawed off shotgun (illegal). How do you think he was able to take a gun and cut the barrel off and I assume stock without the parents knowing?
I don't know, but if they knew about it, or should have known about it, the blood of the innocent kids is on their hands too! I don't think that putting strict liability on a parent for the actions of their teen is the solution either. Frankly, I don't know what the solution is. I am just afraid if we, as responsible gun owners, do not respond to the outcry from the vocal left with anything more than a loud, "Don't take our guns!" innocent people will continue to die and at some point, we will not have a voice in the conversation.
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