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Gtmodawg
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re: Hunting over corn or other bait; where’s the satisfaction?
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Is sand grit considered bait ?



Definitely makes a difference when chumming....all of the fish chunks and shellfish chunks and oils combined won't work as well as the same ingredients mixed with sand and mud and dissolving with the associated cloud....in my experience at least...


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Gtmodawg
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re: Hunting over corn or other bait; where’s the satisfaction?
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20 years ago when I was in college I listened to a guest presenter lay out the snow geese situation. His proposed solution was to go up to the arctic when the geese were molting and bulldoze 1/2 of them to knock the population back. I thought he was genius. I was the only one in the room that felt that way.


There has been serious consideration of something along these lines...the problem is the area in question is not easily accessible when snow geese are present. In the dead of winter you can land planes on it but in the spring you can't walk on it let alone drive equipment. Just getting planes to the area is problematic logistically.

It really is a mess and an interesting event if you are compelled by such things. I did not realize it has been going on as long as it has....I thought it was a 20 year problem when in fact it evidently started in the mid 70's. The data is pretty obvious that it is reaching a point of no return...apparently light geese are smaller now than they used to be because there is not enough food for them to plump up...only enough to survive and breed like flies. That usually makes an animal even more subject to disease....its amazing something hasn't happened along those lines...nature usually takes care of these things itself.

Again, I wouldn't normally propose baiting as an answer but light geese are hard to hunt for small groups of people...access to land is difficult if not impossible to obtain and the gear required is extremely expensive when done right...hard to decoy 35000 birds when you can only afford a $10K decoy spread, even as easy as snows are to decoy WHEN they want to be where you are....they are, in my experience, almost impossible to pull and are way less predictable day to day than ducks and dark geese. Plus, given their numbers today, every time they do fall for decoying 100 of them die and 34,900 fly off with a little more education.


Outfitters make a game effort and hunters will do what they can but setting 100 dozen rags and silos is damned hard work, getting access is expensive, and every year the geese get less and less likely to fall for anything other than full bodied, fully flocked decoys set perfectly and blinds that are INVISIBLE. Again, 3000 sets of eyes are harder to fool than 30. And, anyone who hunts snows regularly knows, when they are using a field this afternoon they are less likely to do so tomorrow...relative to dark geese and ducks. So it is not unusual to set up and watch wave after wave of birds fly sky high over a field they devoured the evening before.


senshado
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re: Hunting over corn or other bait; where’s the satisfaction?
Why? That seems so unfair. Using a projectile weapon makes it too easy. Why not a spear like a real man? Or why not just a knife? Nah. Both have sharpened blades. You should hunt with your hands. That's the ultimate thrill and the only fair way. Don't you think?


SportTiger1
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re: Hunting over corn or other bait; where’s the satisfaction?
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How about sitting in a climate controlled shooting house looking down a well manicured cut looking at 6-8 bucks and having the "guide" scoring each deer eating corn and telling what the kill fee is for each one?

Pretty common nowadays and I just don't see the fun in it.


this is not the same as some ole baw in LA putting out a bag a corn and hoping a basket 6 comes out.


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deltaland
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re: Hunting over corn or other bait; where’s the satisfaction?
Corn feeders bother me less than those who pay thousands to shoot a trophy deer inside a fence.

That’s not hunting. The whole thrill of killing a trophy comes from the work invested in it through scouting, patience, and luck


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LSUballs
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re: Hunting over corn or other bait; where’s the satisfaction?
I did not read the entirety of that gigantic wall of text, but in the parts I skimmed over you give way too much credit to the elusiveness of the sky carp. Half the time they're feeding within shotgun range of a road and all one has to do is roll down the window and shoot them in the face.


Gtmodawg
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re: Hunting over corn or other bait; where’s the satisfaction?
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Why? That seems so unfair. Using a projectile weapon makes it too easy. Why not a spear like a real man? Or why not just a knife? Nah. Both have sharpened blades. You should hunt with your hands. That's the ultimate thrill and the only fair way. Don't you think?


Better yet, why hunt deer at all??? They are pretty benign creatures and sources of meat are far easier to obtain otherwise. If you really want to be a sportsman and practice a truly fair chase go on safari in Africa and use your hands. Most of the big game animals in Africa stand a chance with an unarmed man...the outcome is far from pre-determined.

I get it, it does seem less than "fair", but modern hunting in any way is less than fair....because as a predator, man has the ultimate weapon that tilts the playing field in our favor...the brain to use a damned gun. Coupled with our inate ability to out think game animals....even those of us like me who get outwitted more often than not usually do so out of laziness...inattention to detail...and this is proven by the fact that even a blind pig finds an acorn once in a while. I dont hate ducks like I once did...I seldom move decoys when the wind changes or birds are using another spot...and I usually kill enough to make it interesting.

In the case of deer the damned things are a nuisance in most of their range....if they ain't taken by hunters they will be by cars....they are as adaptive as an animal gets and can thrive ANYWHERE...and breed like flies....if baiting works to keep them in check and folks want to bait whats the issue? If you don't want to bait them don't...your job wont be excessively difficult even with others around you baiting....


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Eli Goldfinger
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re: Hunting over corn or other bait; where’s the satisfaction?
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What is your preferred method of hunting?


Run & gun with bow or muzzleloader.


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HoldThatTiger03
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re: Hunting over corn or other bait; where’s the satisfaction?
corn or no corn, everything still has to come together perfectly, and you have to be there whenever that time comes.


Gtmodawg
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re: Hunting over corn or other bait; where’s the satisfaction?
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I did not read the entirety of that gigantic wall of text, but in the parts I skimmed over you give way too much credit to the elusiveness of the sky carp. Half the time they're feeding within shotgun range of a road and all one has to do is roll down the window and shoot them in the face.



Yes,"Arkansasing" them has reduced their numbers to supportable figures. Thats the ticket. Spoken like a true slob hunter. Also works for jacklighting deer and rabbits....as does tossing grain in a pond for ducks and dark geese....


I would bet you a coca cola that you can't drive a car within 40 yards of a flock of snow geese....


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AlxTgr
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re: Hunting over corn or other bait; where’s the satisfaction?
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Do you feel the same way about hunting over an acorn tree? Because it’s basically the same
Meh, I just don't really agree with this.


Tigerpaw123
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re: Hunting over corn or other bait; where’s the satisfaction?
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ethical


But you see...this is the divergence.



To thine own self be true


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bobdylan
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re: Hunting over corn or other bait; where’s the satisfaction?
Agree. It takes scouting to find a natural food source that’s being hit. Sitting over bait one put out doesn’t involve that.


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deltaland
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re: Hunting over corn or other bait; where’s the satisfaction?
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corn or no corn, everything still has to come together perfectly, and you have to be there whenever that time comes.


You’re always going to hunt over a food supply, whether it be corn, a planted food plot, or a natural source of food that you found. How the source of food got there is irrelevant to me


bobdylan
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re: Hunting over corn or other bait; where’s the satisfaction?
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You’re always going to hunt over a food supply


I don’t.

I’ll hunt bedding areas, funnels, trails/transitions, won’t necessarily have a food source.


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GATORGAR247
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re: Hunting over corn or other bait; where’s the satisfaction?
I'm the same way. The hunt is half the fun for me. I hunt national forest. I'll probably never kill anything over 135" but I'll take that over sitting in a box stand playing games on my phone until the deer get hungry. To fill the freezer I take my kids on hunts and let them do the killing..


lsupride87
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re: Hunting over corn or other bait; where’s the satisfaction?
I honestly dont see the difference between:

hunting where you know they bed

hunting around acorns

throwing corn and hunting it

All three are using your brain as a human to hunt where you know the deer will be, and the deer is too stupid to realize you will be there


Flats
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re: Hunting over corn or other bait; where’s the satisfaction?
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where’s the satisfaction?


In the backstrap.

I get what you're saying, because I fish for sport and wouldn't get any satisfaction from a trot line or gill net.

But I hunt because I like being outside and watching deer, and I like backstrap and sausage. Couldn't care less if it's a 10 point or a doe, I just want one or two in the freezer. I hunt on land where friends or family have done all the work, I just show up and wait for the deer. I call it harvesting, not hunting. If somebody would give me a couple of deer every year I'd go sit in a stand without a gun; I already know how to hit a target.


lsupride87
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re: Hunting over corn or other bait; where’s the satisfaction?
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I get what you're saying, because I fish for sport and wouldn't get any satisfaction from a trot line or gill net.
Not the same

Better analogy:

Do you fish piers? Tops? Any other manmade structures that attracts the fish?


geauxbrown
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re: Hunting over corn or other bait; where’s the satisfaction?
For me, the only concern I have for hunters shooting deer over bait, is we're now into our second generation of folks, who have little to no idea how to actually hunt.

Granted, I understand that the end result is the same in regards to the killing of the deer, however where I feel it hurts is when after several years of shooting deer over corn, a young hunter may well lose his enjoyment for hunting. We eventually lose those hunters, which in turn hurts our ability to maintain a block of individuals who not only support hunting but partake in it.

Over the past 20 years my work has enabled me to see hundreds of young hunters guided out to a box stand after shooting a rifle for 15 minutes, then allowed to shoot a deer all in hopes of creating a hunter.

It doesn't work like that. Long term hunters are individuals who learn how to hunt small game, look for sign, read the wind, shoot a flying dove or duck.

I fear the short cuts with our younger hunters will eventually backfire on us all.



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