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re: Duck Decline Solution
Posted on 8/7/23 at 8:06 am to choupiquesushi
Posted on 8/7/23 at 8:06 am to choupiquesushi
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cotton as cane and cattle
There was 5 times more cotton acreage in they state when the hunting was good - cotton acreage has 0 to do with the hunting
You could almost say more cotton would be better for the ducks coming to South LA because it would equal less grain and rice acreage in the delta
There enough cattle acreage being added either to effect the ducks
If you want to blame crop mix its cane and crawfish being added thats the problems
Posted on 8/7/23 at 8:18 am to Midtiger farm
Yea I got a good chuckle out of the assertion that increased Cotton acreage had something to do with duck population declines. As if cotton acreage has increased the last 30 years. Hilarious
This post was edited on 8/7/23 at 8:43 am
Posted on 8/7/23 at 8:21 am to Taxman2010
That wouldn't work. IMO the biggest issue is change in flyways, less breeding grounds, and the amount of rain in the prairies during breeding season. Sure there are other issues like cold weather, etc, but the central flyway was premier and now it seems a lot of ducks are landing west of LA.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 9:02 am to GREENHEAD22
quote:
What we have experienced here in LA has followed in Ark and now even in MO and west in OK/KS.
The population just isn't there anymore and has been in decline for years.
This is true. Gave up my lease in SWLA a few years ago. Just wasn't worth it. Starting making some trips to OK and their guides are saying the same thing.
I'm not sure what the fix is, and its a major problem, but rotating seasons isn't the fix. I remember the days of the 3 man limit, and even then you still saw lots of ducks.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 10:18 am to TopWaterTiger
Stopped hunting in Grand Chenier and Pecan Island when I moved to Georgia. Went back and forth for a few years. Started hunting SW Oklahoma from 2000-2012. It was unreal, limits of greenheads and an odd bird every trip...
Skip foward a few years after getting married starting around 2017 bird numbers down drastically. Continue to have good not great hunts. This definitely not just a South Louisiana thing. It's happening everywhere. There will be something done if the numbers stay low.
Skip foward a few years after getting married starting around 2017 bird numbers down drastically. Continue to have good not great hunts. This definitely not just a South Louisiana thing. It's happening everywhere. There will be something done if the numbers stay low.
This post was edited on 8/7/23 at 10:23 am
Posted on 8/7/23 at 10:45 am to Taxman2010

IMO,
The Mississippi flyway has had drought conditions in breeding grounds for years, weather changes (not freezing earlier up north, forcing ducks to migrate), and other factors that can change quickly because of nature.
Central Flyway has had a lot more water (melting snow) So their population is up @10%
This stuff is cyclical. Mississippi flyway gets a lot of snow this year, they'll get more runoff in the spring, which will lead to more breeding grounds and eventually more ducks.
This post was edited on 8/7/23 at 10:47 am
Posted on 8/7/23 at 11:08 am to Midtiger farm
quote:What has this done?
crawfish
Posted on 8/7/23 at 11:14 am to AlxTgr
quote:
What has this done?
Ride around and see how ducks and geese are in a crawfish pond compared to a shallow flooded stubble field thats going to be beans or fallow the next year
And that's not just because they like that enviroment better and but includes farmers chasing them out of crawfish ponds and boats running all day in them
Also you could say dry seeding rice has altered the habitat because when everything was water seeded all those fields going into rice in the spring were left flooded all winter
Posted on 8/7/23 at 11:24 am to MobileJosh
quote:in the two areas we hunted it increased - not like cane though. they increased in tandem.
Yea I got a good chuckle out of the assertion that increased Cotton acreage had something to do with duck population declines. As if cotton acreage has increased the last 30 years. Hilarious
Posted on 8/7/23 at 11:25 am to choupiquesushi
quote:
weather patterns here do not reflect this in winter...
True.
Snowfall up north is the main factor. Less snow up north means less birds down here. So I stand by my statement: warming weather affects migration
Posted on 8/7/23 at 11:44 am to Midtiger farm
quote:Seems I never even see these any more in CENLA.
Ride around and see how ducks and geese are in a crawfish pond compared to a shallow flooded stubble field thats going to be beans or fallow the next year
Posted on 8/7/23 at 11:50 am to AlxTgr
Our hunting Marsh in Vermilion parish used to be surrounded by thousands of acres of rice. Now its surrounded by thousands of acres of Cane. Ducks dont eat Cane, but bears do. We have traded duck populations for bear populations.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 12:03 pm to Midtiger farm
quote:
And that's not just because they like that enviroment better and but includes farmers chasing them out of crawfish ponds and boats running all day in them
The pop guns during rice planting season this year were on fleak!! Sounded like a frickin war.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 12:32 pm to TopWaterTiger
Hunted laccasine nwr during the 3/30 years and Never failed to shoot 2 mallard drakes and the off duck. Could land 50-100 pintails and mallards easily most days. There were typically 3-4 groups hunting wed-sun so plenty of room.
Fast forward to 4 ducks (doubled hunters) & 6 ducks (lake Arthur & Jennings) were out there. Opening of the 6 duck season looked like a boat parade on the mermentau.
Price of cotton going over $1/# has and will affect Oklahoma ducks.
Fast forward to 4 ducks (doubled hunters) & 6 ducks (lake Arthur & Jennings) were out there. Opening of the 6 duck season looked like a boat parade on the mermentau.
Price of cotton going over $1/# has and will affect Oklahoma ducks.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 2:15 pm to rltiger
Correct. It boils down to one thing, and that is habitat conditions. For example, Louisiana can now winter 3 million less ducks and geese than it could in the 1970s. And why is that? Loss of coastal marsh and conversion from rice to sugar cane.
Also, look at when you don’t have water- for example, TN and AR for majority of this past season- it lead to South LA having one of the most productive duck seasons in the past few years.
You also have to take into consideration the conditions in the breeding grounds. Where our ducks are bred, has been in a drought for quite a few seasons.
Something to note- every single bird species across the globe is in decline right now. However, waterfowl populations are up due to conservation organizations. Every single conservationist should be purchasing a duck stamp. It helps habitat and rebuilding the population overall. All you have to do is look to the overall waterfowl population increasing while songbirds and such are decreasing. LINK
Also, look at when you don’t have water- for example, TN and AR for majority of this past season- it lead to South LA having one of the most productive duck seasons in the past few years.
You also have to take into consideration the conditions in the breeding grounds. Where our ducks are bred, has been in a drought for quite a few seasons.
Something to note- every single bird species across the globe is in decline right now. However, waterfowl populations are up due to conservation organizations. Every single conservationist should be purchasing a duck stamp. It helps habitat and rebuilding the population overall. All you have to do is look to the overall waterfowl population increasing while songbirds and such are decreasing. LINK
This post was edited on 8/7/23 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 8/7/23 at 5:14 pm to GREENHEAD22
quote:
You would need Canada to take part as well.
This is really one of the main causes for the low population. They don't have bad days up there, they kill a limit every time they sit, everyday of the 60 day season.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 7:02 pm to SportsmanParadise
This
has more to do with this
Than this
There's plenty of conservation organizations that cater to birds other than ducks, and some that put more of every dollar into conservation efforts than DU does. But the duck stamp ends up benefiting more ducks than any other species because of what that money goes to.
Quail don't have a stamp.
Songbirds don't have a stamp.
I believe DU had something like $275 million in revenue in 2022, and spent $135 million on conservation.
Quail/Pheasants Forever had $98 million, and spent $78 million on conservation.
So yeah, DU spent a bunch of money on habitat, but only like 50% of their revenue went to that.
Not hating, as I'm a member of both organizations, but that duck stamp means more than people give it credit for.
quote:
waterfowl populations are up
has more to do with this
quote:
purchasing a duck stamp
Than this
quote:
conservation organizations.
There's plenty of conservation organizations that cater to birds other than ducks, and some that put more of every dollar into conservation efforts than DU does. But the duck stamp ends up benefiting more ducks than any other species because of what that money goes to.
Quail don't have a stamp.
Songbirds don't have a stamp.
I believe DU had something like $275 million in revenue in 2022, and spent $135 million on conservation.
Quail/Pheasants Forever had $98 million, and spent $78 million on conservation.
So yeah, DU spent a bunch of money on habitat, but only like 50% of their revenue went to that.
Not hating, as I'm a member of both organizations, but that duck stamp means more than people give it credit for.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 7:34 pm to rltiger
quote:Yeah, but isn’t most of the nesting and breeding grounds for the central flyway in the Dakotas and Canada?
The Mississippi flyway has had drought conditions in breeding grounds for years, weather changes (not freezing earlier up north, forcing ducks to migrate), and other factors that can change quickly because of nature.
Central Flyway has had a lot more water (melting snow) So their population is up @10%
Posted on 8/7/23 at 7:38 pm to offshoretrash
quote:Yeah, and the fricking limit in Manitoba and Saskatchewan is 8 ducks per day.
This is really one of the main causes for the low population. They don't have bad days up there, they kill a limit every time they sit, everyday of the 60 day season.
frick Canada.
This post was edited on 8/7/23 at 7:43 pm
Posted on 8/7/23 at 7:46 pm to Taxman2010
Where’s that group of phd biologists from a few years ago. Think it was Flyway Federation? Those baws were carrying on gods work.
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