re: Deer Hunting with dogs is tradition*

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yes, you really can. I train dogs. every dog can reliably be trained to 100% of the time recall when beeped or buzzed

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Maybe garbage ones. I've been a houndsman my entire life. I've had hounds that behaved better than a lot of professionally trained duck dogs I've seen. This isn't feasible at all. Been there, tried it, doesn't work.

You can certainly do better than not trying at all, but unless you have an absolutely massive expanse of land, you aren't going to avoid property line problems.

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Loup:

If dog hunting ends up banned it will be because of bad dog hunters.

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DownshiftAndFloorIt:

No it won't. It'll get banned because the culture of hunting has changed drastically in the past 20 years and its incompatible with modern hunters. Dog hunting doesn't work unless everyone is doing it because the property disputes are inevitable. Leases on average used to be much bigger, people didn't obsess over certain deer, and people caught each other's dogs for them or had agreements with each other about when trespassing was ok.
It was well understood that sometimes it's going to happen and everyone was ok with it. Even with nearly 6,000 acres, it still happened sometimes. The difference is we practically shared land with our neighbors and generally got along great. Occasionally we even shot deer on each other's property

It was known, openly talked about, and generally everyone was OK with it. Now, shoot shovel shut up is such a common thing that everyone knows exactly what it means.

These days, trespassing is never ok. People hate their neighbors, who shoot "their" buck that they've been taking pictures of for 3 years and named Brutus or octopus or some dumb shite.

The whole culture of deer hunting in lousiana largely sucks now. Riding around on a side by side for an hour checking cameras and dumping corn out? Perfectly ok. Seeing a dog chasing a deer? Oh frick no. Totally fricking up everything. Ran brutus onto neighbors land. Wasted all the time and money

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There's a lot of truth in both of these posts!

FWIW, while I totally agree that "the culture of hunting has changed drastically in the past 20 years" and even that dog hunting might be "incompatible with modern hunters," dog hunters seem particularly resistant to making any changes that would help allow them to continue their sport in light of these changes. Don't try to dog hunt on a 400 acre lease and at least make an effort to respect your neighbors (for example, don't let your dogs out on a road on the opposite side of an adjoinging property) and a lot of the controversy goes away.

At the end of the day I think Loup is right: if dog hunting ends up banned it will be because of bad dog hunters.

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A libertarian would protect his own, self reliance. You’re a phony, baw. Own it.

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above anything else, a libertarian believes and cherishes being left alone, ESPECIALLY when in his castle, and leaving another man alone when in his. something trashy modern day dog hunters know nothing about- you'd make great democrats. you take a shite on private property rights then say, "but muh, I just want to have a little fun." classic example of dog hunters not taking responsibility for your actions. when it affects me and my life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, and there's no recourse that can be had, the answer is for there to be a law to protect the majority of individuals from a minority who just wont leave people alone. this is not a hard concept, you should try and keep up.

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I’d love to see you train a walker hound to run deer on or off command. You don’t know shite from wild honey.

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I love how deer dog hunters uphold the walker as the one and only breed that a trainer can't break on recall. if it were true (it's not), then it would further prove the logical conclusion that poaching and trespassing on private property rights under the guise of "deer hunting" circa 2023 should be heavily regulated out of existence outside of large tracts of land.

a $5k high octane field trial English pointer is no less of a slave to its instincts than a well bred walker. a walker from good hunting stock can absolutely be broken to recall by a skilled trainer. notice I didn't say, "houndsman," as we all know plenty of those modern day individuals- they are no dog trainer, and it's laughable that a, "houndsman" has been compared to an informed, experienced, skilled and steady dog trainer in this thread.

for every action there's an equal and opposite reaction, and the day is coming where deer dog hunters will be responsible for wiping out what was once a gentleman's sport. I couldn't care less about deer hunting, baiting, patterning deer, etc. I hunt the rut and plant year round food plots, manage prarie and thickets for the good of all wildlife and for kids to hunt, and it's a damned shame when antwon and his brothas run their shite dogs through a tract when a kid is hunting and then shrug their shoulders and refuse to take responsibility. we are not a socialist utopia yet, "houndsmen," thankfully we still have property rights. it's disrespectful, it's trashy, it's a liability and it's shitting on my private property rights and taking from me and mine.

and for that, my give-a-damn about their want for, "muh, a little fun" is ruthlessly nonexistent. Frick em, feed em fish heads, and when the day comes, nut up, look in the mirror and own it: yall did it to yourselves.

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if dog hunting ends up banned it will be because of bad dog hunters.

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I don't care at all what someone does on their own property.

I only care when your property comes on my property.

Ah, I love these threads.

I grew up hunting on a large family club that ran dogs during dog season. It was great fun for a kid and we shot up and shot down a whole bunch of deer. Almost always small bucks and young does. I was never old enough to run with the dogs but my dad and uncles would always run with the dogs to help guide them. And yes, I literally mean run while doing that whooping yell that was probably the descendant of the fabled rebel yell. IT was a different time.

Now days the dog hunters I see are lined up on public highways standing in the back of trucks. Its dangerous and it looks bad to the general public who now have their ideas of hunting tainted.

My dad and I have gone head to head with "hog hunters" a few years ago who were just "trying to get their dogs". There were 3 side by sides filled with adults and kids with rifles while my dad and I were duck hunting a beaver pond with just our shotguns and steel shot. They used every excuse in the book to justify why they had trespassed across a whole hunting club and onto our land. "Got to get er dogs!" "Ole so in so, you know him, he said it would be ok." "We thought we were still on (insert hunting club name that is miles away)" It ended up with my dad loading his shotgun and telling them they had to move. Something about an old man slowly loading his shotgun was enough to make them scatter.

I hunt my own land. I do what I want with my land. I buy land around me as it comes available and I can afford it. I have two kids, one who is old enough to hunt. I put a lot of work into my property and look forward to the days that I actually get to enjoy my labors. I've had random trouble with trespassers but I don't need some idiot letting their dogs run wild and ruin the time and effort I have put into my land and the opportunity to spend time with my kids away from phones, video games and modern society in general. Plus, hunters with questionable judgment taking pop shots at running deer crossing a public road is terribly dangerous.

Hunting is not what it was. Money has gotten into it and the game has changed. Plus, society as a whole has changed Gone are the days where the woods were simply open to everyone and societal mores kept people in line with how they interacted with others and treated other people's property. You can regret the changes and miss the old ways but they are gone.

Today you either own enough land to hunt (this means that your fun/tradition does not impinge upon others), join a larger lease or pay for hunts.

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This is already illegal, correct?

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They don’t care about that. People hear of dog hunting and automatically assume they are the worst kind. Same as if I see someone with a bass boat and glitter I automatically assume he’s an a-hole.

I have a huge problem with their actions in that situation.

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Its gone from nobility to hillbilly

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hillbillity

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a-holes are the people responsible, not the dogs

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Yup. As frustrating as it can be I'd never shoot or hurt somebody's dog. I like dogs more than people.