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re: ATF brace rule has been published

Posted on 6/9/23 at 11:03 am to
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86203 posts
Posted on 6/9/23 at 11:03 am to
quote:

Think there are now four injunctions against the ATF enjoining them from enforcement of this rule with at least one more injunction pending.
Great
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
22700 posts
Posted on 6/9/23 at 11:21 am to
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quote:

How hard, once it's pinned and welded, is it to reverse,



Very hard, you’d be better off buying a new 16” barrel.

Ok, thanks.

Was curious about that, because I remember a small Beretta pistol recently hitting the import/surplus market. 22lr pistol, too small for import laws, but they bypassed that by pinning and welding a fake suppressor onto the threaded barrel. People were posting on how easy it was to remove that.

Found it, Beretta M71.


Posted by HeadSlash
TEAM LIVE BADASS - St. GEORGE
Member since Aug 2006
54573 posts
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:30 am to
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How hard, once it's pinned and welded, is it to reverse, if/when this rule gets whacked?



How steady of a hand do you have? The weld has to be ground out so the pin can be removed. I've done two using an angle grinder, next time I'm using a dremel.
Posted by SneakyWaff1es
Member since Nov 2012
4108 posts
Posted on 6/10/23 at 2:48 pm to
quote:

it'll be alot worse if you had a 10" AR in your backpack with a loaded drum.
But you can still legally have a 10” AR with a drum as long as there isn’t a brace attached.
Posted by Success
Member since Sep 2015
1942 posts
Posted on 6/10/23 at 4:22 pm to
I know it is. I was making a point that the above handgun is legal just as a 10” AR. BUT a 10” AR with a drum is more deadly than a 5-6 shooter revolver.
Posted by highcotton2
Alabama
Member since Feb 2010
10315 posts
Posted on 6/10/23 at 4:25 pm to
quote:

be enough to pull you back to legal safety, for the time being? That's a 6" flash hider, I'm guessing pinned and welded to a 10+ inch barrel, you're now no longer in possession of a SBR. Because the barrel is no longer short... right?


Wouldn’t it just be easier to remove the brace?
Posted by Crawdaddy
Slidell. The jewel of Louisiana
Member since Sep 2006
19075 posts
Posted on 6/10/23 at 4:47 pm to
Slapping a 16” upper on your AR pistol braced AR will be legal right ?
Posted by highcotton2
Alabama
Member since Feb 2010
10315 posts
Posted on 6/10/23 at 4:54 pm to
quote:

Slapping a 16” upper on your AR pistol braced AR will be legal right ?


But you would have to destroy the short barrel unless you have a legal pistol lower to put it on.
Posted by turkish
Member since Aug 2016
2245 posts
Posted on 6/10/23 at 6:08 pm to
What’s your 4473 say?
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
39230 posts
Posted on 6/14/23 at 1:31 am to
Bill passed the House this afternoon.

The Hill


quote:

Two Republicans — Reps. Thomas Kean Jr. (N.J.) and Brian Fitzpatrick (Pa.) — broke from the party and voted against the legislation, while two Democrats, Reps. Jared Golden (Maine) and Mary Peltola (Alaska), supported the measure.
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
47097 posts
Posted on 6/14/23 at 5:59 am to
Freedom

quote:

The rule would also require that individuals who have pistols with stabilizing braces register them with the government by May 31, 2023.
Posted by BayouBengal51
Forest Hill, Louisiana
Member since Nov 2006
7278 posts
Posted on 6/14/23 at 10:52 am to
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But you would have to destroy the short barrel unless you have a legal pistol lower to put it on.


Actually you can keep it but it has be stored offsite from any potential lowers it could be put into to avoid "Constructive intent". A very vague term the ATF likes to use to ensnare people.

However they've established a precedent that if you store it off site and away from any potential illegal, "intentional" SBR construction pieces you should be good.
Posted by Landmass
Premium Member
Member since Jun 2013
23636 posts
Posted on 6/14/23 at 7:53 pm to
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Reps. Thomas Kean Jr. (N.J.) and Brian Fitzpatrick (Pa.)


Damn yankees
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
111888 posts
Posted on 6/14/23 at 8:49 pm to
quote:

Thomas Kean Jr


Just like his squishy shithead dad
Posted by NOLAGT
Over there
Member since Dec 2012
13929 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 1:51 pm to
I know some think its bending the knee to take the amnesty deal to SBR them but planed to SBR them anyway (already have NFA stuff). I just didn't feel like wasting the $ on stamps since they were all braced. So I took advantage of the situation and just got back my 11 form 1s and saved me 2,200 bucks. Took 169 days.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
111888 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 2:23 pm to
If you're already in their system for other NFA stuff, I get it.

Otherwise, frick them.
Posted by NOLAGT
Over there
Member since Dec 2012
13929 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 3:04 pm to
quote:

If you're already in their system for other NFA stuff, I get it.


Thats how im looking at it. If I didnt have any NFA stuff already and didnt plan to I would not have.
quote:


Otherwise, frick them.



For once...for now...I feel like I did saving 2200 on BS

Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
111888 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 5:33 pm to
Lololololololol
Posted by kengel2
Team Gun
Member since Mar 2004
33413 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 6:11 pm to
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So I took advantage of the situation and just got back my 11 form 1s and saved me 2,200 bucks. Took 169 days.


Thank you for your service. Glad someone got something for this stupid deal.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
18750 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 6:44 pm to
So far a whole lot of folks have braced pistols that are now off limits for the ATF. It's going to look stupid applying for SBR stamps once the courts have ruled. Stupid anyway given the arguments being made by the DOJ and ATF in their briefs and these people imagining that a piece of paper is going to be honored by the ATF going forward after another rule change or two.
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