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Anything better than sawtooth oaks?
Posted on 10/11/23 at 10:47 pm
Posted on 10/11/23 at 10:47 pm
Father has to clear cut 5-10 acres due to southern pine beetles. I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for an oak producing tree other than sawtooth? Also would rather not wait 30 years for it to produce, something within the next 5 to 10 years. Father wants to plant pine, but I am trying to talk him out of it. Thank you and advance for the suggestions.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 11:30 pm to EFHogman
Tell father frick a pine tree. Father should look into swamp oak as well.
Posted on 10/12/23 at 2:45 am to EFHogman
Why sawtooth? They drop way before season.
Posted on 10/12/23 at 6:04 am to EFHogman
Combo sawtooth and persimmon
Posted on 10/12/23 at 6:20 am to EFHogman
Mexican plum, quince, persimmon, Asian pear, crabapple or any late summer, early fall fruit producing tree.
Posted on 10/12/23 at 6:44 am to EFHogman
Sawtooths aren’t native and can have issues with pests and disease. Most I’ve seen planted haven’t done well long term, but that’s not to say they can’t.
Since you’ve got a few acres I would look at getting a package of a few different types from nativ nurseries, they give info on what grows well in what type of soil conditions and that would be the biggest factor for me. A healthy tree is gonna grow faster and produce more and sooner, so getting a few types that produce well on your site will give the best chance at having consistent mast every year, and hedges against one or the other dying out.
Since you’ve got a few acres I would look at getting a package of a few different types from nativ nurseries, they give info on what grows well in what type of soil conditions and that would be the biggest factor for me. A healthy tree is gonna grow faster and produce more and sooner, so getting a few types that produce well on your site will give the best chance at having consistent mast every year, and hedges against one or the other dying out.
Posted on 10/12/23 at 7:55 am to EFHogman
Chinese or American Chestnut. Plant one for every 3-5 acres and plant a pine to hang the stand in. You're welcome.
Posted on 10/12/23 at 8:22 am to EFHogman
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I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for an oak producing tree other than sawtooth?
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Also would rather not wait 30 years for it to produce, something within the next 5 to 10 years.
Sorry, but you can't have both. That's why sawtooth are popular--because they produce much sooner than every other native oak. The earliest you will probably see with any other oak is 15 to 20 years. Under optimal growing conditions (which are completely outside of your control), you might have some start producing between 10 and 15, and of you're lucky, you'll have some produce in less than 10. But 15 to 20 is the general rule.
So do you want an early producer (that has mixed reviews on how good it actually is for deer), or do you want a native tree that's going to take longer, but will almost surely feed your deer for many years?
Posted on 10/12/23 at 11:16 am to EFHogman
Black Walnut.
Have no idea whether they grow here, but I love the lumber.
Have no idea whether they grow here, but I love the lumber.
Posted on 10/12/23 at 1:46 pm to MintBerry Crunch
walnut grows in Mississippi.May not be the quality of Missouri but it is fine lumber. I get some sparingly that I cut on my sawmill
Posted on 10/12/23 at 1:54 pm to MintBerry Crunch
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Black Walnut.
Have no idea whether they grow here, but I love the lumber.
If in LA, it depends on the region. It would probably grow alot better north of Ville Platte/Bunkie and in portions of the Florida Parishes than anywhere south of 190/I-12.
Posted on 10/12/23 at 2:03 pm to EFHogman
Is this for deer or investment?
Posted on 10/12/23 at 2:06 pm to Koolazzkat
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Mexican plum, quince, persimmon, Asian pear, crabapple or any late summer, early fall fruit producing tree.
This. I would add Mulberry and muscadine vines.
Posted on 10/12/23 at 2:36 pm to EFHogman
See if Father will allow you to clear an area for a food plot.
Posted on 10/13/23 at 7:50 am to EFHogman
Depends where you are and the soil/water conditions - ridge vs bottom, etc. A few possibilities could be swamp chestnut oak, nutall, shumard, willow oak, paw paw for understory, mulberry, mayhaw, white oak. Black walnut is beautiful but roots release substance that can negatively impact other plantings nearby - could be an issue, but might not. Just something to think about. I ordered a pretty big order of various seedlings from a guy nearby and will be planting around home and in pasture in the late winter. Mainly species described above with a few varieties of magnolia.
Posted on 10/13/23 at 8:26 am to 257WBY
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See if Father will allow you to clear an area for a food plot.
If he will let me know and I can take care of it for you.
Posted on 10/13/23 at 8:50 am to EFHogman
I would look into a mix of different oaks rather than focusing on one particular one. Most of them won't take 30 years to produce, I have a nuttall in my yard that started dropping acorns in it's first 7-8 years.
If you are looking to do this strictly for deer food, make a couple groves of fruit trees, like pears and/or persimmons. leave a couple small openings for 1/4-1/2 acre food plots.
If you are looking to do this strictly for deer food, make a couple groves of fruit trees, like pears and/or persimmons. leave a couple small openings for 1/4-1/2 acre food plots.
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