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Anything better than sawtooth oaks?

Posted on 10/11/23 at 10:47 pm
Posted by EFHogman
Member since May 2016
539 posts
Posted on 10/11/23 at 10:47 pm
Father has to clear cut 5-10 acres due to southern pine beetles. I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for an oak producing tree other than sawtooth? Also would rather not wait 30 years for it to produce, something within the next 5 to 10 years. Father wants to plant pine, but I am trying to talk him out of it. Thank you and advance for the suggestions.
Posted by Jack Daniel
In the bottle
Member since Feb 2013
25504 posts
Posted on 10/11/23 at 11:30 pm to
Tell father frick a pine tree. Father should look into swamp oak as well.
Posted by Outdoorreb
Member since Oct 2019
2545 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 2:45 am to
Why sawtooth? They drop way before season.
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
28032 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 3:08 am to
Poplar is my favorite.
Posted by The Levee
Bat Country
Member since Feb 2006
10733 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 6:04 am to
Combo sawtooth and persimmon
Posted by Koolazzkat
Behind the Tupelo gum tree
Member since May 2021
1715 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 6:20 am to
Mexican plum, quince, persimmon, Asian pear, crabapple or any late summer, early fall fruit producing tree.
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
17324 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 6:44 am to
Sawtooths aren’t native and can have issues with pests and disease. Most I’ve seen planted haven’t done well long term, but that’s not to say they can’t.

Since you’ve got a few acres I would look at getting a package of a few different types from nativ nurseries, they give info on what grows well in what type of soil conditions and that would be the biggest factor for me. A healthy tree is gonna grow faster and produce more and sooner, so getting a few types that produce well on your site will give the best chance at having consistent mast every year, and hedges against one or the other dying out.
Posted by Sparetime
Lookin down at La
Member since Sep 2014
890 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 7:55 am to
Chinese or American Chestnut. Plant one for every 3-5 acres and plant a pine to hang the stand in. You're welcome.
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
12719 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 8:22 am to
quote:

I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for an oak producing tree other than sawtooth?

quote:

Also would rather not wait 30 years for it to produce, something within the next 5 to 10 years.

Sorry, but you can't have both. That's why sawtooth are popular--because they produce much sooner than every other native oak. The earliest you will probably see with any other oak is 15 to 20 years. Under optimal growing conditions (which are completely outside of your control), you might have some start producing between 10 and 15, and of you're lucky, you'll have some produce in less than 10. But 15 to 20 is the general rule.

So do you want an early producer (that has mixed reviews on how good it actually is for deer), or do you want a native tree that's going to take longer, but will almost surely feed your deer for many years?
Posted by MintBerry Crunch
Member since Nov 2010
4858 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 11:16 am to
Black Walnut.

Have no idea whether they grow here, but I love the lumber.
Posted by Ppro
natchez
Member since Dec 2013
416 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 1:46 pm to
walnut grows in Mississippi.May not be the quality of Missouri but it is fine lumber. I get some sparingly that I cut on my sawmill
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
12719 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 1:54 pm to
quote:

Black Walnut.

Have no idea whether they grow here, but I love the lumber.

If in LA, it depends on the region. It would probably grow alot better north of Ville Platte/Bunkie and in portions of the Florida Parishes than anywhere south of 190/I-12.
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
25024 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 2:03 pm to
Is this for deer or investment?
Posted by TimeOutdoors
AK
Member since Sep 2014
12123 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 2:06 pm to
quote:

Mexican plum, quince, persimmon, Asian pear, crabapple or any late summer, early fall fruit producing tree.


This. I would add Mulberry and muscadine vines.
Posted by 257WBY
Member since Feb 2014
5640 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 2:36 pm to
See if Father will allow you to clear an area for a food plot.
Posted by AyyyBaw
Member since Jan 2020
1062 posts
Posted on 10/13/23 at 7:50 am to
Depends where you are and the soil/water conditions - ridge vs bottom, etc. A few possibilities could be swamp chestnut oak, nutall, shumard, willow oak, paw paw for understory, mulberry, mayhaw, white oak. Black walnut is beautiful but roots release substance that can negatively impact other plantings nearby - could be an issue, but might not. Just something to think about. I ordered a pretty big order of various seedlings from a guy nearby and will be planting around home and in pasture in the late winter. Mainly species described above with a few varieties of magnolia.
Posted by pdubya76
Sw Ms
Member since Mar 2012
5978 posts
Posted on 10/13/23 at 8:26 am to
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See if Father will allow you to clear an area for a food plot.

If he will let me know and I can take care of it for you.
Posted by LoneStarTiger
Lone Star State
Member since Aug 2004
15949 posts
Posted on 10/13/23 at 8:50 am to
I would look into a mix of different oaks rather than focusing on one particular one. Most of them won't take 30 years to produce, I have a nuttall in my yard that started dropping acorns in it's first 7-8 years.

If you are looking to do this strictly for deer food, make a couple groves of fruit trees, like pears and/or persimmons. leave a couple small openings for 1/4-1/2 acre food plots.
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