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re: 7mm-08 vs 6.5 CM for youth
Posted on 12/10/24 at 1:58 pm to nolaks
Posted on 12/10/24 at 1:58 pm to nolaks
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I don't understand the hate the 6.5 gets.
Same they are damn near the same cartridge. The 0.5 mm difference in projectile diameter doesn’t mean much and it’s the same parent case. The 6.5 gets hate because idiots use match ammo instead of hunting ammo. One is made for low ballistic coefficients and paper punching and not expansion.
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Posted on 12/10/24 at 2:06 pm to bayoudude
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The 6.5 gets hate because idiots use match ammo instead of hunting ammo. One is made for low ballistic coefficients and paper punching and not expansion.
That's exactly the reason it was invented along with the PRC. Paper punching. Hornady will come out with another cartridge in 5 years to replace those as the next best thing. They'll all kill easily with the right bullets. I just won't be sucked in to gimmicks again.
Cartridges that have been in existence for 50+ years work just fine.
Posted on 12/10/24 at 2:13 pm to bayoudude
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because idiots use match ammo instead of hunting ammo. One
You should see the damage that those match bullets do. The difference is when you are sitting on the side of a mountain and the deer runs 75-150yd and piles up it’s a perfect bullet even with no blood trail.
When the same thing happens in a food plot on the edge of a cutover or thicket it’s a piece of shite bullet.
They are deadly with impressive results in the right application!!
Posted on 12/10/24 at 2:16 pm to Ol boy
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You should see the damage that those match bullets do.
VLDs are meat grinders.
Posted on 12/10/24 at 2:40 pm to sonoma8
My son has a a ruger American 7mm-08 and its a solid gun. paired with a vortex scope he has killed 3 deer with it at age 7 and this season missed one last weekend due to being impatient lol party my fault. but its a great gun and id shoot it as an adult. its deadly!
This post was edited on 12/10/24 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 12/10/24 at 3:42 pm to saintsfan1977
Hornady will come out with another cartridge in 5 years to replace those as the next best thing.
Yep, and it sucks for those of us who would like to keep ammo availability good for our old shite.
6.5 creedmoor is here to stay though. So many rifles sold that the ammo will always sell as well.
Yep, and it sucks for those of us who would like to keep ammo availability good for our old shite.
6.5 creedmoor is here to stay though. So many rifles sold that the ammo will always sell as well.
Posted on 12/10/24 at 3:49 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Son has a Ruger American compact 6.5 creedmore and it has been great. Hornady American Whitetail Interlock 129gr put deer, hogs, coyotes, etc down. As others have said, using the right bullet for the job makes all the difference.
Posted on 12/10/24 at 3:53 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Companies don’t make money by coming out and saying what we’ve had since 1924 is good enough. It is what it is and I’m not mad at them. What’s happening right now with modern bullets and monolithics in smaller cartridges is pretty awesome. Less recoil to achieve practically the same terminal performance is a good thing that might actually result in less coyote food per year.
Posted on 12/10/24 at 4:24 pm to sonoma8
As already mentioned, one could make a good argument for staying w/ the Legend for a few more years. It's a fine gun inside 150-200 yards and has less recoil than either the 6.5 CM or 7-08.
Given the choice of 6.5 CM or 7-08, it really doesn't make any difference as long as proper hunting bullets are used. Yeah, there's more ammo on the shelves for 6.5 CM than 7-08 (heck, my local WM doesn't even stock ammo for the 7-08), but how much of that is good deer hunting ammo? OTOH, there's very little "bad" deer hunting ammo for the 7-08. In addition, when I last checked the 7-08 has reduced recoil ammo while the 6.5 CM doesn't. Using XP-100 handguns, I've killed 10 deer (and 3 hogs) w/ a 7-08 and 8 deer (and 1 hog) w/ a 260 Rem (ballistic twin to the 6.5). Since my barrels are 15", the velocity is a similar to a rifle reduced recoil load.
When my was 10 yo I debated what gun to buy for first deer rifle, 7-08 or 308. Since I had components to load for 308 but not 7-08, I bought the 308. He killed a bunch of deer w/ my reduced velocity loads and later w/ full power loads. A few years later I bought a 7-08 handgun. What gun did I buy a few years ago for grandkids to eventually deer hunt with???? A 7-08 rifle.
Hunt w/ the right ammo and everyone'll be fine. Order some now for next year.
Given the choice of 6.5 CM or 7-08, it really doesn't make any difference as long as proper hunting bullets are used. Yeah, there's more ammo on the shelves for 6.5 CM than 7-08 (heck, my local WM doesn't even stock ammo for the 7-08), but how much of that is good deer hunting ammo? OTOH, there's very little "bad" deer hunting ammo for the 7-08. In addition, when I last checked the 7-08 has reduced recoil ammo while the 6.5 CM doesn't. Using XP-100 handguns, I've killed 10 deer (and 3 hogs) w/ a 7-08 and 8 deer (and 1 hog) w/ a 260 Rem (ballistic twin to the 6.5). Since my barrels are 15", the velocity is a similar to a rifle reduced recoil load.
When my was 10 yo I debated what gun to buy for first deer rifle, 7-08 or 308. Since I had components to load for 308 but not 7-08, I bought the 308. He killed a bunch of deer w/ my reduced velocity loads and later w/ full power loads. A few years later I bought a 7-08 handgun. What gun did I buy a few years ago for grandkids to eventually deer hunt with???? A 7-08 rifle.
Hunt w/ the right ammo and everyone'll be fine. Order some now for next year.
Posted on 12/10/24 at 5:10 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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The hate is because it’s trendy and ammo companies insist on loading bullets that aren’t optimal for close shots in thick cover. Drop a 140 accubond in it and there’s really no difference between it and the 7mm-08.
The 6.5 Man Bun really shines with a 140 gr. bullet (just like the 6.5x55)... but that's not what you find on the shelves at the gun store. if you reload, a 140 gr. Speer Hot Cor is an outstanding bullet in the 6.5CM.
This post was edited on 12/10/24 at 5:14 pm
Posted on 12/10/24 at 5:12 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Though the "cripplemore" is a great nickname, I've never found that to be the case.
But it is a great nickname!
Posted on 12/10/24 at 5:39 pm to sonoma8
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Normally I hunt with 7mm mag but At times I will pick up their youth model rifles and hunt with it myself.
7 alt 8 all day. Was the 6.5 of the 90s that was getting all the rage and flying off the shelves, but because it is handy and effective.
Also, three of my family members got tired of lugging there magnums also, they all are big dudes and they only tote 7-08.
Fantastic caliber. Order ammo and be done with it.
Had my first personal experience with a Cripplemore this year, let's say the deer was 10 ringed and there wasn't even blood in his bed. Worse than 243.
Posted on 12/10/24 at 5:44 pm to sonoma8
7mm 08
Posted on 12/10/24 at 6:05 pm to Sparetime
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Had my first personal experience with a Cripplemore this year, let's say the deer was 10 ringed and there wasn't even blood in his bed. Worse than 243.
What ammo was being used?
You can do the same thing with any caliber rifle with the wrong bullets/ bullets designed to explode.
Come on, you’re better than this.
Posted on 12/10/24 at 6:10 pm to bbvdd
I don’t have a creedmore but don’t understand the hate for it. It’s a .264 140 grain bullet moving at ~2600 fps. It will kill a deer if you use a bullet designed to do so. A pretty ELDX will be very accurate but may not expand on a thin skinned deer . Make a good shot with a partition or core lokt and you will have a dead deer . No different than the 7/08. I wouldn’t hesitate to hunt with either with a soft point hunting bullet
Posted on 12/10/24 at 6:15 pm to Sparetime
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Had my first personal experience with a Cripplemore this year, let's say the deer was 10 ringed and there wasn't even blood in his bed.
Just curious - what bullet were you shooting?
Posted on 12/10/24 at 6:40 pm to pdubya76
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A pretty ELDX will be very accurate but may not expand on a thin skinned deer
Won’t expand? You mean it will turn the insides into a smoothie? They do an insane amount of damage, they just don’t always exit. Even if they do exit the blood trails are inconsistent and sometimes non existent.
Posted on 12/10/24 at 6:46 pm to Sparetime
Precisely my experience! I have killed a lot of deer with everything from long bows to shotguns to 7 mm magnum’s. Quite frankly I’m not the type that says that you have to have a certain caliber gun to be a effective at killing Any animal. It’s all about knowing the capability of what is in your hands. That being said I really can’t find any downside to a 7 mm 08.It is just as effective as many larger calibers and the ballistics especially with the heavier bullets are maybe even more impressive
Posted on 12/10/24 at 6:52 pm to sonoma8
Not worth splitting the hairs to tell you the difference between them.
Buy whatever you like, shoot it till you’re good with it and kill all the deer you want.
I chose the Creedmore because of easier ammo availability and because when I bought my rifle the maker didn’t chamber the -08 yet.
Be a good shot and both are excellent.
Buy whatever you like, shoot it till you’re good with it and kill all the deer you want.
I chose the Creedmore because of easier ammo availability and because when I bought my rifle the maker didn’t chamber the -08 yet.
Be a good shot and both are excellent.
Posted on 12/10/24 at 7:44 pm to Sparetime
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let's say the deer was 10 ringed and there wasn't even blood in his bed
Then it wasn't 10 ringed. If you hit a deer in the boiler room with a centerfire rifle, it's gonna die and it's going to cough or spit some blood somewhere.
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