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.270 Question
Posted on 8/4/16 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 8/4/16 at 3:21 pm
I've been shooting Remington Core-Lokt .270 130gr bullets for the past few years and have had a problem with not getting pass through therefore not leaving any blood trail, and not dropping them in their tracks either like my 7mm-08 used to.
The deer I've shot have been everywhere from 30-300 yds. The ones I've found were pure luck, found 30-40 yds from where I shot them, but there was no blood trail and no exit wound. The shots were all good shots in or just behind the lower half of the shoulder. And a few other deer I did not find that I know I hit, and felt like good shots, but again no/minimal blood found.
My question is has anyone else had this problem with these bullets? What .270 bullets do you shoot? Do you think switching to a 150 gr would help to slow down the bullet and theoretically decrease the rapid expansion so it will stay in tact better through the deer?
I know leaving the body is wasted energy, but it does help create the big exit wound that bleeds nicely.
The deer I've shot have been everywhere from 30-300 yds. The ones I've found were pure luck, found 30-40 yds from where I shot them, but there was no blood trail and no exit wound. The shots were all good shots in or just behind the lower half of the shoulder. And a few other deer I did not find that I know I hit, and felt like good shots, but again no/minimal blood found.
My question is has anyone else had this problem with these bullets? What .270 bullets do you shoot? Do you think switching to a 150 gr would help to slow down the bullet and theoretically decrease the rapid expansion so it will stay in tact better through the deer?
I know leaving the body is wasted energy, but it does help create the big exit wound that bleeds nicely.
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Posted on 8/4/16 at 3:34 pm to BeauxNArreaux
I would think that the core-lokt would retain enough weight to pass through but I really don't know.
My son shot a deer last year with a 6.8 spc using 110gr Barnes triple shocks at 70yds. It had a good pass through and dropped the deer in it's tracks.
If you want to stick with the core-lokt maybe move up to the 150s.
My son shot a deer last year with a 6.8 spc using 110gr Barnes triple shocks at 70yds. It had a good pass through and dropped the deer in it's tracks.
If you want to stick with the core-lokt maybe move up to the 150s.
Posted on 8/4/16 at 3:37 pm to BeauxNArreaux
quote:
Remington Core-Lokt
Try the Premium Core-Lokt Ultras
Posted on 8/4/16 at 3:38 pm to BeauxNArreaux
I shoot a .270 in 150gr and have no issue with recovery or pass thru. I use Federal Fusion 2 years ago, and Federal in the blue box this past year.
Posted on 8/4/16 at 3:39 pm to BeauxNArreaux
130gr .270 core locts are notorious for not exiting. Core locts over-expand at high impact velocity and just don't come out reliably enough. They tend to shoot very well though so people have a hard time getting away from them.
Try the plain federal blue box 130 or 150, whichever one your rifle likes more. They perform much better in my experience. Ive never had one fail to exit.
Try the plain federal blue box 130 or 150, whichever one your rifle likes more. They perform much better in my experience. Ive never had one fail to exit.
This post was edited on 8/4/16 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 8/4/16 at 3:41 pm to BeauxNArreaux
Can't give you much help on a blood trail produced by certain bullets, but if you'll shoot the deer in the shoulder and not behind it, he will more than likely crumble and not run. Two thirds of the way up his torso will shock his spine and immobilize him. If you're worried about better penetration try a bonded bullet. Close to 100% weight retention.
Of course a Core Lokt bullet will have pretty much the same effect with this shot placement also.
JMHO, but I have killed a lot of deer with a .270 and maybe 5% have moved out of my sight after being shot. I currently shoot 140 gr. Hornady Interlock BTSP, but have shot just about every brand out there.
Of course a Core Lokt bullet will have pretty much the same effect with this shot placement also.
JMHO, but I have killed a lot of deer with a .270 and maybe 5% have moved out of my sight after being shot. I currently shoot 140 gr. Hornady Interlock BTSP, but have shot just about every brand out there.
Posted on 8/4/16 at 3:46 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Try the Nosler Accubond I had the same problem as you and switched to these 2 years ago and have not had a problem since.
Posted on 8/4/16 at 3:48 pm to SCwTiger
Here's the details of my theory on this particular load.
The core loct is bonded and that IMO is its problem in the 130gr .270 flavor. It hits too fast and over expands. It holds together so well that it's pushing too much frontal area without enough arse behind it to get through the off side hide. I've seen a dozen of them under the off side hide, and they look just like the picture on the box every time. They open too wide too early and don't have the arse to carry through.
A regular cup and core bullet will shed weight (and thus frontal area) and continue to drive through, and they tend to have tougher jackets so they don't blow apart. They'll open a little slower and more controlled. Bonded bullets don't care if they open extremely aggressively because they'll stay together regardless.
Core locts are fantastic when they have high sectional density and moderate impact speed. When they're short light and fast, they don't exit nearly as reliably.
The core loct is bonded and that IMO is its problem in the 130gr .270 flavor. It hits too fast and over expands. It holds together so well that it's pushing too much frontal area without enough arse behind it to get through the off side hide. I've seen a dozen of them under the off side hide, and they look just like the picture on the box every time. They open too wide too early and don't have the arse to carry through.
A regular cup and core bullet will shed weight (and thus frontal area) and continue to drive through, and they tend to have tougher jackets so they don't blow apart. They'll open a little slower and more controlled. Bonded bullets don't care if they open extremely aggressively because they'll stay together regardless.
Core locts are fantastic when they have high sectional density and moderate impact speed. When they're short light and fast, they don't exit nearly as reliably.
Posted on 8/4/16 at 3:53 pm to BeauxNArreaux
Use a Barnes 130gr-140gr TSX.
Posted on 8/4/16 at 4:00 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:Nice analysis.
the details of my theory on this particular load
I too have had many core lokts lodged in the off side. That's why I went to more of a premium bullet about 20 years ago. The Federal Trophy Bonded Bear Claw was a bad muther, but I can't find them any more. I used Nosler Partitions for several years and they had great penetration. About 10 years ago Hornady had a .270 "Light Magnum" - just a hotter load that had an increased velocity of around 300 fps - and it had their 140 gr. bullet. Light Magnum is no longer made, but now they've got that same setup in the Superformance box.
My dad swears by that Nosler Accubond btw.
Posted on 8/4/16 at 4:01 pm to saintsfan1977
quote:will be the next bullet I try.
Barnes 130gr-140gr TSX
Posted on 8/4/16 at 4:15 pm to BeauxNArreaux
The 130 grain Winchester Power Points are all I've used for a couple decades now. If I hit the shoulder, they drop but don't always pass through. If I hit off shoulder they pass through and leave a decent blood trail. One deer lost since 1989.
I have no idea how they compare to the Core-loct, as far as bullet construction. 150s may push through better.
I have no idea how they compare to the Core-loct, as far as bullet construction. 150s may push through better.
Posted on 8/4/16 at 4:21 pm to dat yat
I quit using core lokts for the same reason. Switched to 130 win ballistic silver tips and have loved them
Posted on 8/4/16 at 4:40 pm to PT24-7
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Switched to 130 win ballistic silver tips
I have never had good blood trails with a ballistic tip. Maybe you have but in my experience that was the reason I quit using them. I went to the TSX. No problems since.
Posted on 8/4/16 at 5:00 pm to BeauxNArreaux
I shoot the same bullet, and have lost deer due to poor shots. The bullet does devastating damage. Im attached to my old 700 or I'd drop the 270 for a 7-08 or 7 mag.
I also killed many with .243 100 gr and honestly had more one shot drops. Same with the 7 rem mag 150s. The 7 whacks em hard its forgiving. I don't know what it is about the 270 I'm cursed with it.
Careful with the bonded bullets designed for thick skinned game, they can perform like a FMJ
I also killed many with .243 100 gr and honestly had more one shot drops. Same with the 7 rem mag 150s. The 7 whacks em hard its forgiving. I don't know what it is about the 270 I'm cursed with it.
Careful with the bonded bullets designed for thick skinned game, they can perform like a FMJ
This post was edited on 8/4/16 at 5:14 pm
Posted on 8/4/16 at 5:06 pm to BeauxNArreaux
I've never had a deer run off since I switched to core-lokt.
Well, not one that I actually hit anyway.
Well, not one that I actually hit anyway.
This post was edited on 8/4/16 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 8/4/16 at 5:09 pm to PT24-7
quote:
130 win ballistic silver tips
Once I started on these, haven't looked back. My MKII loves them, and they leave great, short bloodtrails.
The federal ballistic tips, not so much..
Posted on 8/4/16 at 5:31 pm to SCwTiger
This topic hits home for me because I've had 7 mag corelokts not pass through a deer before with little to no blood trail. I now use a 270, but never shot corelokts in it. Currently I'm using Hornady American Whitetail 130 grain. They introduced a 140 in American whitetail recently, I've seen, and I'm interested in it. I'm also looking at the superformance load, but I don't know anyone who has used the SST bullets.
Has anyone in here used 130 or 140 SST bullets? Superformance shells? Particularly in 270 win.
Has anyone in here used 130 or 140 SST bullets? Superformance shells? Particularly in 270 win.
Posted on 8/4/16 at 5:33 pm to BeauxNArreaux
I'm 4/4 with 135 grain Hornady SSTs since switching from Core Lokts.
Posted on 8/4/16 at 5:40 pm to BeauxNArreaux
I had a problem with no blood trail with the 130 grains. They always passed thru, but little or no blood.
I switched to the 150 grain and it seemed to make a big difference.
I switched to the 150 grain and it seemed to make a big difference.
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