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re: Links to live feeds from remotely operated vehicles (ROV)
Posted on 5/27/10 at 6:54 pm to The Hamburglar
Posted on 5/27/10 at 6:54 pm to The Hamburglar
quote:You are both wrong. they are not stringing any body along. they are trying everything they can to shut it in.
I agree with the above poster who said BP is stringing us along....
quote:you may be correct about the relief wells being the only thing that will work, but it will not stop the attempts
I have lost any and all faith in them and truely believe nothing is going to work until the relief well is done.
quote:more like 8 more weeks
8 more months to go of this crap.
quote:I understand the sentiment
:hangsheadindisbeliefandfeelslikecrying:
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Posted on 5/27/10 at 6:55 pm to JudgeHolden
Judge - no problem. I don't mean to be pessimistic but I'm very pissed off right now (as many are) about this situation. I assure you I'm not a casual observer that is looking for any opportunity to spout negativity. I have a vested interest in this as well and want nothing more than to see this all resolved. 
Posted on 5/27/10 at 6:57 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
If the top kill is truly not working, then Thad Allen should be immediately relieved of his duties due to the quotes he was giving earlier this afternoon about the success of it.
Posted on 5/27/10 at 7:00 pm to ThatsAllSheWrote
quote:
Judge - no problem. I don't mean to be pessimistic but I'm very pissed off right now (as many are) about this situation. I assure you I'm not a casual observer that is looking for any opportunity to spout negativity. I have a vested interest in this as well and want nothing more than to see this all resolved.
Understood. From a technical standpoint, I think they have to move very slowly in these operations. A small misstep could make things much worse, and I think they are gradually stepping up the top kill effort as they see how the structures react to pressure. That seems pretty prudent.
And I really understand being p.o.'d. This is awful for everybody.
Let's take all this positive energy and send it out to the Gulf. Waiting is hell, isn't it?
Posted on 5/27/10 at 7:01 pm to ThatsAllSheWrote
I deleted my post also. I understand your frustration and I'm doing my damnest to try and stay positive. But in all honesty, it's becoming increasingly difficult with each passing hour.
Posted on 5/27/10 at 7:01 pm to RummelTiger
quote:
If the top kill is truly not working, then Thad Allen should be immediately relieved of his duties due to the quotes he was giving earlier this afternoon about the success of it.
He really should not have commented if on things he is not completely sure of.
Posted on 5/27/10 at 7:06 pm to JudgeHolden
I have no doubt that BP is doing everything they can, but I think they know that there is nothing they can do yet to avoid a PR nightmare, the say:
1- we will try the topkill as soon as this weekend.
2- then they say "we have to delay a bit, we'll start wednesday morning. we'll know more in 24 hours"
3- 24 hours later, we don't hear anything. they don't say a word that they stopped pumping mud. Then, we they finally say that they stopped pumping mud 16 hours ago. people go nuts. they say "oh, everything is ok. we are about to start pumping again."
My guess is that this will go on for another few days until they finally have to say the top kill didnt work. next it will take another week and a half to try the next method....
That, my friend, is stringing us along. If the relief well is the only option, and if they know it is the only option, tell me now and don't put me on this emotional rollarcoaster.
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1- we will try the topkill as soon as this weekend.
2- then they say "we have to delay a bit, we'll start wednesday morning. we'll know more in 24 hours"
3- 24 hours later, we don't hear anything. they don't say a word that they stopped pumping mud. Then, we they finally say that they stopped pumping mud 16 hours ago. people go nuts. they say "oh, everything is ok. we are about to start pumping again."
My guess is that this will go on for another few days until they finally have to say the top kill didnt work. next it will take another week and a half to try the next method....
That, my friend, is stringing us along. If the relief well is the only option, and if they know it is the only option, tell me now and don't put me on this emotional rollarcoaster.
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Posted on 5/27/10 at 7:12 pm to The Hamburglar
quote:
That, my friend, is stringing us along. If the relief well is the only option, and if they know it is the only option, tell me now and don't put me on this emotional rollarcoaster.
A relief well is not the only option. And I think they have made the judgment that it is better to try these things in parallel with the relief wells, which have never stopped drilling. None of the vessels involved in the top kill is taken away from the drilling. They are using a third rig for it.
You might check this out.
LINK
All that said, yes, this is frustrating as hell. With that said, I personally think it is the media, not BP that is running this roller coaster. But, that is just my opinion.
Posted on 5/27/10 at 7:16 pm to JudgeHolden
I understand they are drilling that relief well 24/7 as fast as they can. I think these other measures are being done as a PR tool to say "Look, we are doing something"
Posted on 5/27/10 at 7:16 pm to JudgeHolden
I believe they have resumed pumping mud mixed with junk into the well.
Posted on 5/27/10 at 7:20 pm to The Hamburglar
quote:
The Hamburglar
No one has perfect knowledge. No one knows with certainty what will work. Each option tried has a chance. Chances differ. The relief wells are the most certain, but they take the longest.
There are 3 rigs out there. 1 is drilling the relief well 2) is doing the top kill 3) is rigging up for the BOP on BOP option.
Of course BP is trying to spin this, and they are trying to wage the best possible PR battle, as would anyone. Sorry you feel strung along. It is what it is.
Posted on 5/27/10 at 7:35 pm to The Hamburglar
quote:I don't think BP is spending a fortune on flow control attempts that they know are doomed to failure, just to string us along.
That, my friend, is stringing us along.
quote:After the first few days of trying to function the BOP, BP stated that the relief well was the only permanent solution. All of these other flow control attempts (Cofferdam, Riser Insertion Tool, Top Kill, Top Hat, Junk Shot, etc.) are just temporary mitigation.
If the relief well is the only option, and if they know it is the only option, tell me now and don't put me on this emotional rollarcoaster
Posted on 5/27/10 at 7:38 pm to JudgeHolden
quote:
A relief well is not the only option. And I think they have made the judgment that it is better to try these things in parallel with the relief wells, which have never stopped drilling. None of the vessels involved in the top kill is taken away from the drilling. They are using a third rig for it.
You might check this out.
I'm pretty sure I read yesterday that the drilling of the second relief well was temporarily suspended, so the rig could be used in preparation for Top Hat (if necessary)
Edit: Sid says BOP on BOP, not Top Hat. I'll defer to his opnion, he's closer to this than I am.
This post was edited on 5/27/10 at 7:42 pm
Posted on 5/27/10 at 7:43 pm to White Roach
Have they shown any shots of the riser on the floor lately? I keep seeing the shots of the oil spewing out of those 4 or 5 locations but am curious if it is flowing out of the riser as shown before too.
Posted on 5/27/10 at 7:45 pm to White Roach
White Roach,
I did hear Top Hat originally. They have changed to the BOP/BOP. If they think they can do it, I would prefer the BOP/BOP to Top Hat because it seems like it may capture 100% of the flow whereas the Top Hat may miss some of the flow.
I really hope the junk shot help seal up the kinked riser so they can get enough MUD in there though. That would be the best untillo the relief well is completed,
I did hear Top Hat originally. They have changed to the BOP/BOP. If they think they can do it, I would prefer the BOP/BOP to Top Hat because it seems like it may capture 100% of the flow whereas the Top Hat may miss some of the flow.
I really hope the junk shot help seal up the kinked riser so they can get enough MUD in there though. That would be the best untillo the relief well is completed,
This post was edited on 5/27/10 at 7:50 pm
Posted on 5/27/10 at 7:49 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
quote:
There are 3 rigs out there. 1 is drilling the relief well 2) is doing the top kill 3) is rigging up for the BOP on BOP option.
There are actually two relief wells being drilled so that makes a total of 4 rigs.
I understand the frustration and anger and all that. But it's hard enough to remain positive without all the pessimism. Please could we try to remain hopeful and as optimistic as possible? I just don't think that these negative comments are very productive.
A lot of laypeople think that engineers have all the answers, or if they don't then they should. But as an engineer myself, I know that sometimes you just don't know if something's going to work until you try it. So I think the story is quite plausible that they pumped for a while, stopped to evaluate, started again, were unsatisfied with the progress and tried something different. I mean at this point, what else do you want them to do? They can't just sprinkle unicorn shite on it and make all of this go away. So please try to be patient and try to be as upbeat as you can. It's hard on all of us so I'm asking everyone to try to leave the cynicism for another day after all of this is over.
Posted on 5/27/10 at 7:53 pm to tgrgrd00
quote:
Have they shown any shots of the riser on the floor lately? I keep seeing the shots of the oil spewing out of those 4 or 5 locations but am curious if it is flowing out of the riser as shown before too.
You mean the other end of the riser? No, I haven't seen any shots of that since they started the top kill.
Posted on 5/27/10 at 7:54 pm to MountainTiger
MT, I agree with you wholeheartedly.
If you are a Petroleum Engineer, how did you end up in Colorado Springs?
If you are a Petroleum Engineer, how did you end up in Colorado Springs?
Posted on 5/27/10 at 7:57 pm to COTiger
quote:
COTiger
Have you heard from your buddy lately?
Posted on 5/27/10 at 7:59 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
Only to report that pumping had resumed. Nothing since then. I think he's been extremely busy and I can detect from the tone of his emails that he is frustrated and rightfully so.
This post was edited on 5/27/10 at 8:00 pm
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