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re: YouTube series focuses on the Louisiana trial lawyer scam

Posted on 6/25/20 at 6:54 am to
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
59187 posts
Posted on 6/25/20 at 6:54 am to
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Such a mindless sheep. The ability to access the courts is a RIGHT that you are advocating to be taken away.

The courts should be gotten rid of entirely except for the good ones that lock up criminals

All the rest of them do is divorce people pay welfare queens for fender benders and force drag queen story hour on us
Posted by Icansee4miles
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Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 6/25/20 at 6:55 am to
Gordon, Spencer, Morris, et al, couldn’t find their way to the courthouse with a map and a gps. And if they did, most of them finished at the bottom of their class, and as you said, would have to hire a real lawyer to try the case.
Posted by Suntiger
STG or BR or somewhere else
Member since Feb 2007
36223 posts
Posted on 6/25/20 at 6:56 am to
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The problem with tort reform is that no one drafting the laws understand the games well enough to actually reform it.


This.

They are just doing what LABI is telling them to do and they are only concerned with limiting businesses liability. Nothing really to do with the PI law.
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
39270 posts
Posted on 6/25/20 at 6:57 am to
You can tell who’s got skin in the game.
This post was edited on 6/25/20 at 9:36 am
Posted by michael corleone
baton rouge
Member since Jun 2005
6554 posts
Posted on 6/25/20 at 7:00 am to
Until someone goes after the doctors, chirps and med managers , you won’t put a dent into the fraud and abuse that’s occurring In this practice. The trial lawyers run the case through a med manager , who inflated a bill. The manager directs the case to a certain chiro or doctor per the lawyer’s analysis of how deep the pocket may be. They work the bill up as high as possible with needless tests and ESIS. They created the damn opioid epidemic by sending all of these people to doctors for unnecessary scripts. It’s a joke. The folks who are supposed to be governing all of this are a bigger joke. They refuse to do anything about it. Probably have 50 locally owned marine operators or supply companies who are out of business bc they can’t afford the insurance. You will likely see some of the larger ones fold soon. Many of the larger homes on St Charles built and owned by bankers and business men are now owned by trial lawyers.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476900 posts
Posted on 6/25/20 at 7:14 am to
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The losing attorney should have to pay the winning attorneys fees and court cost.

you do realize with lawyers like Gordon this would mean insurance companies pay more, right?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476900 posts
Posted on 6/25/20 at 7:18 am to
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Until someone goes after the doctors, chirps and med managers , you won’t put a dent into the fraud and abuse that’s occurring In this practice.

basically

when you have medical providers "billing" at x rate but only actually charging y rate, that's an arbitrage opportunity

your mills rely on these. like that first video said, very few cases get that $300k (contrary to this board's opinion)

chiros can only get you so far, though. if we're talking about bigger cases without major injuries, you're getting some MDs who have...biased affiliations and motivations in treatment

Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
16410 posts
Posted on 6/25/20 at 7:20 am to
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Why?



If they are representing someone injured, it’s unlikely that they’ll be able to work so they need money. The plaintiff attorney often works out a loan to hold them over with the settlement as the collateral.
Once the case settles, the attorney takes his fee, plus the loan, and gives the client what’s left. The loan company is essentially funding the lawsuit or investing in the lawsuit with very little risk. This loan practice actually encourages fraudulent lawsuits since the plaintiff doesn’t have much risk either since they don’t have physical pain or medical bills or incapacitation... they just have to chill out until the case settles and can now afford to do it with the loan. Actual injured people have to actually suffer pain. They want to work but can’t.

The longer the period for the loan, the more money the lender makes so that puts pressure on the attorney to drag the shite (damn spell check) out.

Also, These loans are often at high rates. The attorney has a captive client.

It’s unethical.
This post was edited on 6/25/20 at 7:42 am
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
42290 posts
Posted on 6/25/20 at 7:21 am to
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There is a reason the insurance industry would not agree as part of the recent legislation to include a section that mandates lower premiums.


I wouldn’t want the government to mandate I reduce my prices while at the same time the trial
Lawyers actually neutered some of the reforms either.

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It’s as if the dreadful public school system, crumbling infrastructure, ridiculous taxes, and unhealthy population don’t exist. Get rid of injury lawsuits and suddenly Louisiana will be the most flourishing state in the union.


You realize lawsuits are just part of the problem, but not the only problem right? All need to be fixed
Posted by Limitlesstigers
Lafayette
Member since Nov 2019
3803 posts
Posted on 6/25/20 at 7:23 am to
Good point.
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
16410 posts
Posted on 6/25/20 at 7:37 am to
Good points

Go to Houma or Morgan city and look at all the “pain clinics” and chiropractors.

Look at the trashy doctors offices often right next to the plaintiff attorney offices.

It’s pretty clear What’s going on. These attorneys are feeding these loser doctors(many of which have been sued for malpractice) to get the Medical backup for the case. Some of these doctors will even agree to do surgery unnecessarily on patients to drive the cost way up.

It’s insidious
Posted by The Johnny Lawrence
Member since Sep 2016
2230 posts
Posted on 6/25/20 at 7:45 am to
I edited my post above, sorry it's a wall of text. I just did my best to explain it for you. But I just scratched the surface. It's very complex.
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
25917 posts
Posted on 6/25/20 at 7:46 am to
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I hope the other episodes actually start presenting evidence and facts as to how the trial lawyers are crippling this state, what’s different about the Louisiana civil court systems, and what can be done to change and improve it because those first two were nothing more than commercials and feelings pieces.


Are the posted videos episodes or trailers for the upcoming series?



Edit to add: I see that when you go to YouTube it actually calls them episodes.
This post was edited on 6/25/20 at 7:53 am
Posted by ccomeaux
LA
Member since Jan 2010
8184 posts
Posted on 6/25/20 at 7:56 am to
Oh look, it's the fake Ranger. Lying pos.
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
172336 posts
Posted on 6/25/20 at 8:05 am to
I prefer Dudley DeBosier. They’re the official injury lawyers of the LSU Tigers.
Posted by supadave3
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2005
32174 posts
Posted on 6/25/20 at 8:20 am to
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Plaintiff goes home and he may or may not be feeling hurt or sore. He sees the countless ads and billboards, so he knows who to call. He also knows four other people that have filed lawsuits in the past two years and they’ve all made money, and in some cases, a lot of money. So he calls Plaintiff Attorney.

Plaintiff Attorney meets with Plaintiff. Plaintiff Attorney explains how the system works, how long he expects it to take to settle, etc. He also explains that the amount of money he settles for is directly related to how hurt he is. Plaintiff Attorney then recommends that Plaintiff go to the doctor. Some more reputable Plaintiff Attorneys will leave the recommendation there. Some will direct Plaintiff to certain doctors who they have a relationship with- Personal Injury Doctor. This is problem number 2.


I'm very good friends with a paralegal that used to work for the E (worked for his partner) and he would tell me all about this. How close this relationship was and how much they set this up, set the appointments for them, etc. A straight racket.

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here is not a quick fix to fix this culture. It would involve curbing attorney advertising, tort reform, etc. and it would still take years for everyone to get back to a position where a small, minor accident doesn’t trigger dollar signs in their eyes.


This is also something we've probably all seen to a large extent. I work with a lot of entry level job applicants so it's a pretty diverse group and to their credit, it's composed solely of people that want to work and want to do things the right way in society, many have an associates degree or a certification or two. Some do not but they are the upper crust of the lower classes OR young people out of a local business college or equivalent. My casual talks with them over the years has shocked me at times how they get in a wreck on their lunch break and I overhear them talking about their expected settlement. Even better if it's on the weekend and their child(s) are with them. It's an open discussion and I've been unpleasantly surprised at some of the people in this conversation. It does seem MUCH more prevalent around a certain demography our team, but I'll leave that to you to decipher. The openness of them discussing it left my jaw on the floor, recommending attorneys and doctors like you would a hair stylist. Then, as their supervisor, of course i immediately start seeing the increase in missing work for Dr appts the following weeks due to 'the wreck' and I see them walking around absolutely fine. The think nothing of it, casual behavior of what happens after a fender bender.

A kind of funny anecdote (but not really funny at all) is that we had one individual that would fit any stereotype that may be held about the type of individual that would perpetuate this behavior. Not smart, not very dependable, was close to getting fired anyway, and obviously one of his first office environment jobs. Anyway, he suddenly quit one day. I was in a virtual meeting and he handed me a resignation letter and was out the door. 3 months later, at the gas pump and one of the video advertisements starts playing and there he is, same guy, recommending this attorney because of his 'big check'.

Sad reality.
This post was edited on 6/25/20 at 8:22 am
Posted by brewhan davey
Audubon Place
Member since Sep 2010
33359 posts
Posted on 6/25/20 at 8:43 am to
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The Johnny Lawrence


You nailed it.
Posted by The Johnny Lawrence
Member since Sep 2016
2230 posts
Posted on 6/25/20 at 8:57 am to
I was limited in characters, and didn't get to cover everything, which shows how complex this issue is. Having people who may not be attorneys or legislators who are attorneys but not in the personal injury game come up with a solution is silly.

There are so many things that drive up insurance costs from a litigation perspective that aren't addressed in the proposed legislation. Plaintiff attorneys are very smart and they will have work around for every reform. The reforms have to attack the corrupt practices of today as well as address the future practices which no one is using today.

For instance, attorneys used to negotiate with doctors prior to trial. Then a case came down saying the defense attorney could tell the jury about those negotiations. It sounded like a great way to make it stop, but now it just happens after trial and the jury doesn't know about it.

To think this can be accomplished by removing the seat belt gag law (which is laughable it exists and a testiment to the corrupt system, but impacts 1 out of every 1,500,000 cases) or changing the prescriptive period is asinine.
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
39270 posts
Posted on 6/25/20 at 9:24 am to
Pretty light on substance tbh. The one on trucking didn’t even mention the staged trucking accidents scandal. I can’t fathom how no one has been jailed or disbarred over that.
Posted by brewhan davey
Audubon Place
Member since Sep 2010
33359 posts
Posted on 6/25/20 at 9:26 am to
You're very right about reform. It's much more nuanced than the pending/recent bills could ever hope to address. I do think the collateral source issue should be at the forefront though - particularly with respect to recovery of "write offs."
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