re: Your life is important, everyone.

This.

I can't make heads or tails of it, and likely will never be able to. I wish I could have done more, but he didn't want his problems to weigh on the lives of others.

In my mind, even though it is terrible, I am glad his kids are so young. They'll probably have a much better chance of being something and not being affected on the level that it could affect already-emotional teenagers, especially since they will still be with close family.

The sane cannot fathom the mind of the insane.

So terrible. Thanks for posting and reminding everyone of each person's importance to the world.

Of this terrible tragedy, both in the death of the mom and suicide in the Dad, thankfully it wasn't magnified by its being a murder-suicide . Those really break my heart for the young children. Hopefully, just hopefully, these children in the OP will have other family members (an aunt or uncle) to help raise them and they will go on to live fulfilling lives.

Again, thanks for the reminder. And along these lines, I should give the Christmas reminder to watch the greatest movie of all time , It's a Wonderful Life

You are right. I just can't see that from my point of view. Wasn't trying to offend. I have almost been to that point but the only thing that saved me was my family in my mind.

War shite will rot a mans brain too.

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Not trying to be a dick but how selfish does a person have to be to check out after seeing their kids lose their mom?

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This is a little known secret, but people who commit suicide usually aren't capable of thinking rationally and/or overcoming the emotional pain & weight that they carry, which severely inhibits a person to think clearly, see the world clearly, appreciate the consequences of their actions, etc. For all we know, and this belief would not be uncommon even in this kind of situation, he could have been so emotionally ravaged and buried under so much pain that he honestly felt like his pain was hurting his children and that they would be better off without him. Now, no one can know if that's the case or not. But that's the type of thinking commonly found in people who are suicidal or commit suicide.

I understand the difficulty in an outsider understanding how a father could take his own life when he had two children depending on him, but it's very easy to underestimate the power mental health problems & emotional suffering has on a person, and that includes their emotional, psychological, & physical states.

It's a terrible situation for the family and especially for the children, but ask yourself how likely you think it is for a father who loves his children to take his own life without suffering from some level (probably EXTREME levels) of emotional, psychological, & cognitive impairment? People who commit suicide don't see their life, the impact of their life or their death on others, & even life in general clearly; their point of view becomes distorted, twisted, and broken.

Just some things to keep in mind before assuming that someone is selfish because they take their own life. In a very real way, the person who commits suicide is not the person they used to be (it's not who they really are anymore), they're not the person that family & friends immediately think of when trying to make sense of how & why that person could take their own life.

ETA: OP, I'm very sorry for your loss.

It's just terrible. I feel so sad for everyone involved.

That's just horrible.... there is always someone who could make a difference in how you feel... those poor kids... I realize the guy was going through a rough time but damn, how could you leave those kids with NO parents???? I will just never get it...

Bump

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I grew up across the street from and idolized growing up killed himself last night. Stud athlete and former LSU baseball player.

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There is no way of knowing the depths of another person's mind or what is too painful for them. It is a disease, not a weakness. Sometimes it is genetic and sometimes it is situational. One of my best friend's brother, mother and father all did the deed. So did he. They all had everything that the OT thinks is great.

Turns out it doesn't fricking matter.