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re: WSJ: Why Is the FDA Attacking a Safe, Effective Drug?
Posted on 7/29/21 at 2:56 pm to When in Rome
Posted on 7/29/21 at 2:56 pm to When in Rome
Its ridiculous that there are "sides" in this.
If Iv works, and that is still in question, that's great. We should give it to people that get covid as early as possible.
But we should also be trying to get as many people to avoid covid as possible, and we do that through vaccinating as many people as we can on earth.
Try to stop Covid through vaccination, treat it with Iv (if it works). Why not both?
Its sort of absurd to pick one or the other.
If Iv works, and that is still in question, that's great. We should give it to people that get covid as early as possible.
But we should also be trying to get as many people to avoid covid as possible, and we do that through vaccinating as many people as we can on earth.
Try to stop Covid through vaccination, treat it with Iv (if it works). Why not both?
Its sort of absurd to pick one or the other.
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Posted on 7/29/21 at 3:00 pm to Fun Bunch
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Its sort of absurd to pick one or the other.
I’ll just say this. Plenty of people who refuse to be vaccinated for whatever reason should be preparing to get Covid and deal with it more than just “my body will handle it”.
I know are few ardent anti- Covid vaccine folks that will trash the vaccine and anyone who uses it then go to McDonalds order a Big Mac and wash it down with a large coke.
This post was edited on 7/29/21 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 7/29/21 at 3:00 pm to Fun Bunch
Posted on 7/29/21 at 3:00 pm to Fun Bunch
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Its sort of absurd to pick one or the other.
I do agree.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 3:02 pm to STEVED00
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I’ll just say this. Plenty of people who refuse to be vaccinated for whatever reason should be preparing to get Covid and deal with it more than just “my body will handle it”.
I agree with this.
But just as a matter of Public Health, we should be pushing both vaccinations to put a "complete"* end to this, and whatever treatment can effectively reduce deaths and hospital times.
Whether thats Iv, or monocolonal antibodies (which we have a ton of studies on and seem to be very effective), etc
*I don't know that we will see a "complete" end to this but I do think we can really effectively limit it in 1st world countries
This post was edited on 7/29/21 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 7/29/21 at 3:02 pm to GumboPot
Posted on 7/29/21 at 3:07 pm to Fun Bunch
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But just as a matter of Public Health, we should be pushing both vaccinations to put a "complete"* end to this, and whatever treatment can effectively reduce deaths and hospital times.
You are an optimist in that you think there will be an end to this. I don’t think there will ever be a high enough vaccination rate. NO had a relatively high vaccination rate but still got hammered. Why bc of the vast numbers of unhealthy people didn’t bother to protect themselves from Covid. And there are a lot.
Other countries with high vaccine rates are still having cases and are taking actions bc of cases. The surge currently is still bc of unhealthy people who think like I mentioned above or just generally don’t care at all. If that gets cleared up then it will shift back to cases again.
Imo the only end to this is ignoring them and moving on with life. This will be something we have to deal with forever.
This post was edited on 7/29/21 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 7/29/21 at 3:24 pm to I B Freeman
So is the ivermectin that I buy at the feed store and give to my dog for preventative heartworms the same shite you would get in a pharmacy?
Posted on 7/29/21 at 3:27 pm to GumboPot
I think there needs to be a Thread Title rule that the OP should include Op-Ed if it's an opinion piece.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 3:28 pm to Broham
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So is the ivermectin that I buy at the feed store and give to my dog for preventative heartworms the same shite you would get in a pharmacy?
The way it’s been described to me is that it is not as high a quality. More QA/QC that goes into the human version.
This post was edited on 7/29/21 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 7/29/21 at 3:29 pm to GumboPot
The FDA is full of people who believe it is their calling to use the word "NO!" as many times a week as they can.
I had an agent tell me once,
"We are the FDA. It is not our job to help you."
God strike me dead if I am not telling the 100% truth.
In my experience, they always have someone who wants another test/study/1000 trees worth of paperwork before they can even consider approving a drug.
I had an agent tell me once,
"We are the FDA. It is not our job to help you."
God strike me dead if I am not telling the 100% truth.
In my experience, they always have someone who wants another test/study/1000 trees worth of paperwork before they can even consider approving a drug.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 3:48 pm to GumboPot
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Was my first thought too.
This article is going to dent a lot of cogitative dissonant barriers built up by 2 years of massive propaganda and it's going to be painful for some.
You realize it’s an opinion piece right? Hell probably not..
I don’t care if people want to take the drug just like I don’t care if they want to take any drug. But that doesn’t mean the FDA would have to bless it for this use nor insurance companies have to pay for it, and any side effects or interactions it might have would be solely on the patient and doctor.
There is a safe an effective proven preventative measure out there though called a vaccine. Some of y’all are hell bent on convincing yourselves that it’s dangerous etc and let’s not kid ourselves it all boils down to politics. If Trump was out there pushing it the antivaxxers would all have both shots months ago.
This post was edited on 7/29/21 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 7/29/21 at 3:55 pm to MeridianDog
Their supporters on here frequently tout the lives they saved from tetracycline.
It has ALWAYS been my contention that the FDA's regulations of drugs were a net bad for the public. How many people have suffered and died because of their feet dragging? because of their insistence on new testing in America of drugs already approved in other advanced countries? How many COVID sufferers would have been saved by ivermectin?????
It has ALWAYS been my contention that the FDA's regulations of drugs were a net bad for the public. How many people have suffered and died because of their feet dragging? because of their insistence on new testing in America of drugs already approved in other advanced countries? How many COVID sufferers would have been saved by ivermectin?????
Posted on 7/29/21 at 3:59 pm to GumboPot
Posted on 7/29/21 at 4:02 pm to shell01
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Dumbass
egg on your face
holy shite
Posted on 7/29/21 at 4:03 pm to When in Rome
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I think when people are getting rich off of something or when the government is pushing something hard, the tendency is to lose trust in that thing because ulterior motives are clear (power, control, money, etc.). But there is another possible reality: that a lot of people are getting rich off of the solutions, a lot of people are gaining power from pushing these solutions, (in this case the vaccines) AND that the solutions work.
Or the people peddling conspiracy theories over the vaccine and getting rich or powerful off it too. People seem to be missing that and latch onto the politicians and YouTubers pushing this nonsense and will convince themselves of anything.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 4:04 pm to shell01
That’s great 
Posted on 7/29/21 at 4:04 pm to shell01
quote:oopsie daisyquote:Was my first thought too.
Surprising to see actual journalism
Posted on 7/29/21 at 4:15 pm to GumboPot
When I tested positive in late January, I was given Ivermectin, a Z Pack, and some other medicine which was basically a cough suppressant.
The ivermectin only had to be taken the first two days. The fever, fatigue, shortness of breath, and aches which I had for the first day after testing positive were all COMPLETELY gone by day 2. Then I just had to deal with the lack of smell and taste along with the cough for about a week. I'll always trade a week of the minor symptoms to get rid of the bad stuff within a day.
The ivermectin only had to be taken the first two days. The fever, fatigue, shortness of breath, and aches which I had for the first day after testing positive were all COMPLETELY gone by day 2. Then I just had to deal with the lack of smell and taste along with the cough for about a week. I'll always trade a week of the minor symptoms to get rid of the bad stuff within a day.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 4:16 pm to shell01
LMFAO, they only had a correction in the previous article at the very bottom. Glad they let it be known they are dumbasses spreading misinformation
This is why you dont listen to economists trying to give medical advice kiddos
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Writers Missed Ivermectin Study Retraction
We, the authors of “Why Is the FDA Attacking a Safe, Effective Drug?” (op-ed, July 29), have egg on our faces. Relying on a summary of studies published in the American Journal of Therapeutics, we quoted the results from a study of 200 healthcare workers. After our article was published, we learned that this study, by Ahmed Elgazzar of Benha University in Egypt, has recently been retracted due to serious charges of data manipulation.
This is why you dont listen to economists trying to give medical advice kiddos
This post was edited on 7/29/21 at 4:22 pm
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