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re: WSJ: Faculty-on-Faculty War Erupts at Columbia

Posted on 3/12/25 at 1:25 pm to
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
47310 posts
Posted on 3/12/25 at 1:25 pm to
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The morons protesting in support of Palestine, are, unfortunately, exactly who the first amendment applies to. It is not about popular speech....everyone hates cancer....its about unpopular speech

No one is preventing citizens from protesting, and no one is preventing non-citizens from protesting legally. S you are incorrect about the first Amendment, even though some have ruled that it applies to non-citizens; it doesn’t.
Posted by Free888
Member since Oct 2019
2445 posts
Posted on 3/12/25 at 1:28 pm to
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“We’re actually quite busy. We’re actually doing our job,” said Geskin. Medical doctors and scientific researchers “are trying to save lives. We don’t have the time to ruminate on all this.”


Heard in Germany in the 1930’s
Posted by DesScorp
Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
8527 posts
Posted on 3/12/25 at 1:39 pm to
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Seems easy, but sounds like their President chose to listen to the humanities side instead.


Thats because college faculties are dominated by radicals from the humanities sector. Its why faculty senates, or any academic say in running the university, is a bad idea. Its a case of inmates running the asylum.
Posted by NorCali
Member since Feb 2015
1331 posts
Posted on 3/12/25 at 1:51 pm to
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When a university generates a grant, somewhere between 50% and 70% of the value of that grant go into the general education fund. Meaning grants are a huge source of funding for universities. As a huge source of their funding, they desperately want faculty who can generate grants.


Not anymore. This is the subject of the entire debate around the DOGE suggested and now accepted cuts to the "indirect" costs of grants. The indirect is what goes to the university, not the professor/lab that wrote the grant, they get the "direct" cost.

The indirect had risen to average north of 50%, as you state. The new cap for indirect costs will be 15%.

What is fascinating to watch is these funded labs that do not understand the contract thinking that the cap in indirect will impact them, it doesn't directly.

a typical R01 is $1 Million over 5 years. Direct. so $1M x 50% is an additionally $500,000 going to the university. Now it will be 15% or $150,000 in this example.

How much is this actually? Well UCSF in a recent year received ~$760 Million from NIH. If their overhead was ~50% that means about 1/3rd of the total was indirect or ~$250M. and $500M direct. Now at 15% they will get $75M instead of the $250M from indirect costs of grants.

UCSF indirect example
This post was edited on 3/12/25 at 1:52 pm
Posted by eatpie
Kentucky
Member since Aug 2018
1451 posts
Posted on 3/12/25 at 1:53 pm to
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At one time it was the Far Right-KKK,


Seriously? Are you now suggesting the KKK was anything other than leftist democrats?

Even liberals have accepted the KKK was almost all democrats. In the next breath they'll claim the parties reversed, but at least they're united in delusion.
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
17028 posts
Posted on 3/12/25 at 2:04 pm to
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Degrees may make you educated but they are not guaranteed to make you smart or logical.



She was also the Chief Physician of Mass. General (9 years) and the CEO of Irving Medical Center (3 years) before taking on this interim President role. She has plenty of real world experience.

Lady is smart, it's ok to admit that and still despise their politics. Now logical? She's a woman...soooooo
Posted by jchamil
Member since Nov 2009
18050 posts
Posted on 3/12/25 at 2:12 pm to
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You just can’t be this f*cking stupid


Have you not read his posts?
Posted by Jay Are
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2014
5515 posts
Posted on 3/12/25 at 3:01 pm to
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Seriously? Are you now suggesting the KKK was anything other than leftist democrats?

Even liberals have accepted the KKK was almost all democrats. In the next breath they'll claim the parties reversed, but at least they're united in delusion.


Most Americans with brains also know that the democratic party used to be THE conservative party. They were the party of the South. The names are the same, but the values of the parties have shifted drastically. Your idea of delusion is very open, non-debated history.
Posted by back9Tiger
Mandeville, LA.
Member since Nov 2005
16433 posts
Posted on 3/12/25 at 3:07 pm to
Do I have to remind everyone that women in high power positions DO NOT WORK?
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
46232 posts
Posted on 3/12/25 at 3:11 pm to

Thank you for the first analytical explanation for why these universities are allowing their student body to act like welfare hoboes.

Have been at a loss as to how it could have turned out that way - back in the late 50s it was certainly not even close to that.

Now I have a chip to play when the 'why is it . . . ' discussion pops up.
Posted by McVick
Member since Jan 2011
4579 posts
Posted on 3/12/25 at 3:21 pm to
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a typical R01 is $1 Million over 5 years. Direct. so $1M x 50% is an additionally $500,000 going to the university. Now it will be 15% or $150,000 in this example.


I don't think that math is completely accurate when it comes to indirect costs. The indirect isn't 50% of the direct cost budget, it's 50% of the total budget. So if a researcher is applying for a grant with a budget of $1million then the university submits a $2 million budget. Some negotiated rates are even higher. I've heard of 75% indirect cost allowance, which which would be $750k for each $250k that the researcher needs for their project.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
75337 posts
Posted on 3/12/25 at 3:23 pm to
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Most Americans with brains also know that the democratic party used to be THE conservative party
Not fiscally.
Posted by Commandeaux
Zachary
Member since Jul 2009
7734 posts
Posted on 3/12/25 at 3:32 pm to
Jew on Jew Crime...nothing to see here.
Posted by Lou
Modesto, CA
Member since Aug 2005
8434 posts
Posted on 3/12/25 at 3:43 pm to
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$400 million in federal contracts and grants to Columbia.
Columbia University has an endowment of over $14.8 Billion dollars. (Yes - Billion). Why are federal tax dollars being sent there at all?
Posted by beachdude
FL
Member since Nov 2008
6117 posts
Posted on 3/12/25 at 3:54 pm to
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…I am allegedly the direct descendant of…started Columbia…


I feel your pain. I am in the same canoe, but regarding Princeton. The students and faculty have tried cancelling my forbear, but the fact that he also signed the Declaration of Independence has become problematic for them. I too apologize for that ongoing incident.
Posted by BregmansWheelbarrow
Member since Mar 2020
3007 posts
Posted on 3/12/25 at 4:12 pm to
The fact that anyone continues to give Muslims of any type or nationality support is mind blowing.
Posted by TigerHornII
Member since Feb 2021
909 posts
Posted on 3/12/25 at 4:13 pm to
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The Biden admin drastically increased bullshite advocacy grants, yes. But still, STEM grants outpaced those bullshite advocacy grants far and away. And the margins weren’t close.


Closer than either of us may have thought. Depending on the source, Fed grants in recent years are anywhere from even to 60/40 STEM/liberal arts.
Posted by TigerHornII
Member since Feb 2021
909 posts
Posted on 3/12/25 at 4:25 pm to
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AwgustaDawg


You've consistently omitted the fact that the protest organizer arrested is not a US citizen. He is a green card holder at best, depending on whether or not you believe his lawyer, which makes him a guest here. I might have some limited inclination to agree with your free speech points if he was a US citizen. He's not. He's a guest, and if he can't act like one, time to go.

What are the legal grounds for green card revocation? As I understand it, they become very broad when dealing with support of terror groups.
Posted by funnystuff
Member since Nov 2012
8812 posts
Posted on 3/12/25 at 4:27 pm to
I need to see a citation for that one.

My understanding is that over 90% of NSF university grants go to STEM subjects
Posted by funnystuff
Member since Nov 2012
8812 posts
Posted on 3/12/25 at 4:30 pm to




Sounds like DOGE may have improved this situation, so hopefully the power balance starts shifting soon
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