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re: Would you fire an employee purposely clocking in five minutes early?
Posted on 8/14/18 at 9:38 am to LouisianaLady
Posted on 8/14/18 at 9:38 am to LouisianaLady
Yeah I’m debating if I should leave at all today or just work from home.
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Posted on 8/14/18 at 9:39 am to wazoo11
As long as they're physically there, I wouldn't think it's a big deal. We have an app to track time if we're out at a customer, so remotely "clocking in" has been an issue with some guys in the past where I work.
This post was edited on 8/14/18 at 9:40 am
Posted on 8/14/18 at 9:43 am to wazoo11
Only if they claimed overtime for it. Otherwise I want them to be at work early.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 9:51 am to JetFuelTyga
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even if you're not working, you must get paid
This is a relief
no kidding. Otherwise I'd be getting paid for about 2 hours of work a week
Posted on 8/14/18 at 9:52 am to LouisianaLady
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I'm still at home as well. About to get dressed. I find I'm much better at starting the day if I wake up and answer overnight emails immediately rather than rushing to the office. Sometimes that turns into an over an hour of doing stuff from bed, but man you can't beat that feeling of being able to get ready and head to work knowing nothing is waiting for your immediate response.
When I get to work, I can sit down and dive right in rather than do the whole "check email, get coffee" song and dance most people do.
I manage projects so, generally speaking, I manage my hours around what needs to be done in those projects. When I'm at work I'm usually in meetings and if I have conference calls, I prefer to do them from home. My office is about 5 minutes from home.
I have this weird thing where if I get up really early at like 5:30 or so, I'll go into the office and be productive af the whole day. If I don't wake up until like 7:00-7:30 then I'm not going to be all that productive so I'll just knock out the stuff I have to from wherever I can.
I also go in on weekends sometimes when things get really busy. So I've never worried about getting in a particular number of hours. And my boss doesn't care because he knows what projects I'm working on and whether or not we're hitting deadlines.
This post was edited on 8/14/18 at 9:55 am
Posted on 8/14/18 at 10:07 am to wazoo11
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How big of a deal is this in the working world when someone commits time theft? What would you do as an employer?
The only times I've seen this be an issue is when the employer is about to go down the tubes. Usually precedes selling the property to a subsidiary and using the sales money to pay rent to themselves by about 6 months tops.
Dust off the resume and start looking around now to be ahead of your co-workers in the rush for a new job when the current employer fails.
If you are the company owner, well, take solace in knowing most small businesses fail. Congrats on being average after all.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 10:21 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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Were talking 5 minutes. This guy is probably trying to beat the crowd to clock in so in reality he's probably the only one really on time if everyone is trying to clock in at exactly x time.
Probably so. But the big issue comes in if he is hourly and not getting paid for that extra 5 minutes, I’ve seen it burn a fortune 100 company. Someone went to the department of labor and said they were owed money for that 5 minutes over time and the DoL made the company pay over 1,000 employees estimated back pay. Cost the company in excess of $500K.
So even though it’s 5 minutes, if they want to make it a big deal they can.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 10:22 am to wazoo11
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Would you fire an employee purposely clocking in five minutes early?
Nope. That's the best employee. However, I will fire an employee that is purposely 5 minutes late every day.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 10:31 am to wazoo11
He isn't getting paid for that 5 minutes. This is in most company handbooks they sign. If you want a reason, other than at will, you can use it
Posted on 8/14/18 at 10:32 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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I have a real job where we don't have to "clock in" so I don't know. If you get your work done who cares if they get to the office at 7 or 9.
I know this is in alignment with your Shittiest Poster Nomination... but... I'll explain.
Most facilities/plants/etc with integrated time clocks/controlled access systems either have canned reports or pay a consultant like me to help with some of these efforts.
I have worked on several projects that involved rounding up and down gate swipes/clock swipes in accordance with Union Contract.
In other words, One project involved rounding up/down to 7 am, any clock-ins for badges with certain criteria(hourly/unioned/etc) that swiped within 6:48-7:12am.
If they clocked in before 6:48 or after 7:12, it flagged them for manager review. These guys would most definitely get warnings/consequences for abusing that system or being late.
We're talking about guys making 125k+ a year abusing the system to get 15 min more pay per day.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 10:38 am to wazoo11
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Would you fire an employee purposely clocking in five minutes early?
Nothing?
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commits time theft?
Um... seriously?
Posted on 8/14/18 at 10:58 am to wazoo11
quote:It's not time theft if he's clocking in and working.
Would you fire an employee purposely clocking in five minutes early?
How big of a deal is this in the working world when someone commits time theft? What would you do as an employer?
It depends on the job to know if it's an issue. Some jobs, it won't matter. Some jobs are shift work where you're needed to work until a set time when the next person shows up, so clocking in early can cause unnecessary OT. Obviously, doing it once on purpose shouldn't get you fired, but there certainly are scenarios where doing it habitually would and should get you fired.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 10:59 am to Isabelle81
quote:Somebody has to be responsible for the financials of any company. Imagine the hours(and OT) that'll accrue with any nurse in a company of thousands accruing 5 extra minutes every single shift.
I worked as an RN in many hospitals and we couldn’t clock in 5 minutes early. Of all things to be concerned about when coming to work to care for critically ill patients!!! So glad to be retired!!!
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:02 am to wazoo11
quote:I don't think you know what time theft really is.
someone commits time theft?
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:05 am to wazoo11
I did this for a year, and skipped lunch, and worked an hour late every single day for 18 months.
By the time anyone realized, I had a metric shite ton of paid leave in the bank.
By the time anyone realized, I had a metric shite ton of paid leave in the bank.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:06 am to wazoo11
I don't pay my employees until their shift starts unless their supervisor says starting early is ok.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:11 am to X123F45
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By the time anyone realized, I had a metric shite ton of paid leave in the bank.
did this too...made for an awesome last check
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:13 am to wazoo11
5 minutes early should be considered "on time."
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:13 am to PearlJam
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No. And if the employee is protected in one or more of a variety of ways, you are inviting a lawsuit where your alleged reason for firing will look like a pretense.
No, you don't invite a lawsuit for disciplining or terminating an employee for time theft. You are not responsible for paying them for "time free from duty" and that includes any hours outside their schedule that they decide to clock in and not work. You write them up once, then terminate them when they do it again.
If I have a $12 per hour CSR or cashier, and he steals 5 minutes every day, that's $260 per year. You think I wouldn't fire someone for stealing $260 out of a drawer or bank deposit? You're goddamned right I would.
If you have an hourly employee, and you require them to be in the office, you must pay them for that time. If they take breaks of less than 20 minutes, you must pay them for that time. If they take a lunch, but you need them to sit at a desk and take phone calls, you must pay them for that time. However, if they decide to clock in at any time outside those hours and not work, you fire them. Period. frick a thief.
This post was edited on 8/14/18 at 11:15 am
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:15 am to Evolved Simian
quote:If you are firing a potentially protected employee for arriving five minutes early, your reason for firing is going to appear to be a pretext unless there are well documented efforts to retrain employee.
No, you don't invite a lawsuit for disciplining or terminating an employee for time theft.
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