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re: Would you be bothered if you learned your son/daughter didn't stand for the pledge?
Posted on 4/22/24 at 6:07 pm to SwampyWaters
Posted on 4/22/24 at 6:07 pm to SwampyWaters
I would want to know, only to understand his reasoning for not standing. If he can articulate a reason he feels is valid that I could at the very least understand then so be it. If he's just doing it because its cool then I would try to use it as a teaching moment.
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Posted on 4/22/24 at 6:10 pm to SwampyWaters
I used to feel a sense of pride when I looked at the flag. I don't feel like it stands for what it did 30 years ago though.
My kids are elementary school aged, so I would expect that they see it as a sign of disrespect to not stand for the pledge, but I'm being totally honest here, I think I understand it now. I expect to get down voted to hell, but why am I pledging allegiance to a country that is once again funding endless wars, taxing it's citizens to fund a better way of life for non-citizens in this country than some citizens have, run by kangaroo courts that allow for political persecution and rendering verdicts without an opportunity for the defendants to defend themselves..... I really could keep going.
Am I pledging allegiance to what the country is now, what it used to be, or as a symbol of what it once was?
My kids are elementary school aged, so I would expect that they see it as a sign of disrespect to not stand for the pledge, but I'm being totally honest here, I think I understand it now. I expect to get down voted to hell, but why am I pledging allegiance to a country that is once again funding endless wars, taxing it's citizens to fund a better way of life for non-citizens in this country than some citizens have, run by kangaroo courts that allow for political persecution and rendering verdicts without an opportunity for the defendants to defend themselves..... I really could keep going.
Am I pledging allegiance to what the country is now, what it used to be, or as a symbol of what it once was?
Posted on 4/22/24 at 6:14 pm to Landmass
that’s cool, you’re welcome to your own opinion.
my children are my children, not yours.
and we agree on all of this:
my children are my children, not yours.
and we agree on all of this:
quote:
allegiance to a country that is once again funding endless wars, taxing it's citizens to fund a better way of life for non-citizens in this country than some citizens have, run by kangaroo courts that allow for political persecution and rendering verdicts without an opportunity for the defendants to defend themselves
This post was edited on 4/22/24 at 6:16 pm
Posted on 4/22/24 at 6:19 pm to SwampyWaters
What should happen to all the people who don’t mean the pledge they are making?
Posted on 4/22/24 at 6:30 pm to SwampyWaters
Vet here, I can’t speak for other vets but for me personally I DGAF if the don’t stand, this is a free country.
I personally think majority of issues are made from people spending way too much time caring what others are doing
I don’t care what you believe or don’t believe in or what you look like as long as it does not threaten the safety of my family
I personally think majority of issues are made from people spending way too much time caring what others are doing
I don’t care what you believe or don’t believe in or what you look like as long as it does not threaten the safety of my family
Posted on 4/22/24 at 6:36 pm to SwampyWaters
quote:
do you think it's the child's decision?
As long as they are living under my roof, they don't get to make these types of decisions. I'd kick the crack out of my kid's arse if they were sitting for the NA. Good thing is none of my kids would do that.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 6:37 pm to SwampyWaters
I don’t personally feel much allegiance to the country anymore, and definitely don’t agree with the concept it is indivisible.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 6:41 pm to SwampyWaters
Yes, I would be pretty ashamed.
There’s so much complaining in this country and it’s because most don’t get the opportunity to travel to other counties to truly compare their situation to anywhere else. I can help, after a week you will start longing for us soil unless you have unlimited financial means.
There are men and women who sacrificed everything to pave the way for where we are right this second. I’m not just talking about bloodshed either.
It’s just outright disrespectful.
The most frustrating part and most disrespectful is the fact it’s used as a political tool. Not only that but the ones kneeling state that those who died fighting for what we have today did that so they have a right to kneel. Okay, touché if you feel that way we can’t converse any longer.
It’s also sad these same same folks that bite the hand that feeds on a very high average, didn’t have anyone serve in any meaningful capacity in this country’s military.
There’s so much complaining in this country and it’s because most don’t get the opportunity to travel to other counties to truly compare their situation to anywhere else. I can help, after a week you will start longing for us soil unless you have unlimited financial means.
There are men and women who sacrificed everything to pave the way for where we are right this second. I’m not just talking about bloodshed either.
It’s just outright disrespectful.
The most frustrating part and most disrespectful is the fact it’s used as a political tool. Not only that but the ones kneeling state that those who died fighting for what we have today did that so they have a right to kneel. Okay, touché if you feel that way we can’t converse any longer.
It’s also sad these same same folks that bite the hand that feeds on a very high average, didn’t have anyone serve in any meaningful capacity in this country’s military.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 6:41 pm to SwampyWaters
Idaf. The government doesn't give a f*ck about us or veterans.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 6:42 pm to faraway
quote:This is not independent thought either. You are parroting what you've heard in the past.
you can learn to worry about your own business. you could also learn not to be a dancing monkey. you say the pledge bc you were conditioned to do so. no other reason. you probably think you're an independent thinking person, though
Posted on 4/22/24 at 6:45 pm to Impotent Waffle
quote:
I personally think majority of issues are made from people spending way too much time caring what others are doing
Agree 100%.
OP asked about my kids, so I answered in that regard.
Whu would I care what pro athletes do or don't do, or what single-parent raised idiots do; they aren't too bright to begin wirh.
Émulation success, not failure.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 6:48 pm to N2cars
quote:
OP asked about my kids, so I answered in that regard. Whu would I care what pro athletes do or don't do, or what single-parent raised idiots do; they aren't too bright to begin wirh. Émulation success, not failure.
I mean wouldn’t a pro have attained success in their area?
Also, I don’t know about you but I don’t tell my kids damn son, look at Jaylen Brunson drop 30, he’s a single parent household kid.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 6:49 pm to SwampyWaters
I'm a vet.
I've tried to teach my daughter what the flag stads for and to have respect for it and the sacrifices that have been made by people before me to defend the way of life that it stands for.
If you don't want to stand for it that's fine. It's your right to do so. I'm not going to get bent out of shape over it.
Now burning the flag? That's a whole other issue.
I've tried to teach my daughter what the flag stads for and to have respect for it and the sacrifices that have been made by people before me to defend the way of life that it stands for.
If you don't want to stand for it that's fine. It's your right to do so. I'm not going to get bent out of shape over it.
Now burning the flag? That's a whole other issue.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 6:54 pm to jizzle6609
Pro athletes are successful in sports.
Does they mean they set the moral tone for the country?
Actors? Singers?
Does they mean they set the moral tone for the country?
Actors? Singers?
Posted on 4/22/24 at 6:55 pm to SwampyWaters
The pledge of allegiance is a socialist creed. One need only research Francis Bellamy for 5 minutes to find that out. It makes sense though, because socialists worship the state, so of course they'd pledge allegiance to it. Pledge allegiance to your God and your family, not a flag of a country.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 6:56 pm to SwampyWaters
Have you asked them why they don’t stand? Maybe they give you a shocking reasonable answer.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 6:57 pm to SwampyWaters
I would want to know and I would heat that arse up.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 7:28 pm to jizzle6609
quote:You do understand the pledge of allegiance has nothing to do with veterans, right?
Yes, I would be pretty ashamed.
There’s so much complaining in this country and it’s because most don’t get the opportunity to travel to other counties to truly compare their situation to anywhere else. I can help, after a week you will start longing for us soil unless you have unlimited financial means.
There are men and women who sacrificed everything to pave the way for where we are right this second. I’m not just talking about bloodshed either.
It’s just outright disrespectful.
The most frustrating part and most disrespectful is the fact it’s used as a political tool. Not only that but the ones kneeling state that those who died fighting for what we have today did that so they have a right to kneel. Okay, touché if you feel that way we can’t converse any longer.
It’s also sad these same same folks that bite the hand that feeds on a very high average, didn’t have anyone serve in any meaningful capacity in this country’s military.
quote:lol, what an ignorant, unfounded statement to make.
It’s also sad these same same folks that bite the hand that feeds on a very high average, didn’t have anyone serve in any meaningful capacity in this country’s military.
As mentioned below, the author of the pledge was an avowed socialist, and the pledge of allegiance to the United States government is a socialist creed. A democrat worships at the alter of the government, as for me and mine, we will not.
My children can do whatever they want, but they are being raised to pledge allegiance to God, family and the mother land. There'll be no pledge to the US government unless they want to do that on their own time.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 7:39 pm to SwampyWaters
I would definitely want to know as a parent if my son or daughter was disrespecting the flag and the country.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 7:40 pm to SwampyWaters
It would only happen one time
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