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re: Woman Shot, Killed After Aiming Gun at Biker She Intentionally Hit With Her Car
Posted on 11/24/21 at 11:29 am to LSUPERMAN
Posted on 11/24/21 at 11:29 am to LSUPERMAN
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Don't think applies when you go in your house, grab a gun, and then come out pointing it at people.
It absolutely does, but she's dead and cannot express a fear for her life. That's why I said it's an interesting story. These guys trespassed on her property and this case is far from closed, regardless of what the article says. The cops aren't going to to shrug and go oh well, case closed. Unless I didn't see how long they took to investigate it.
This post was edited on 11/24/21 at 11:29 am
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Posted on 11/24/21 at 11:29 am to Oates Mustache
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Then attempted to possibly defend herself from a crazy bunch of dudes following her to her house, which is her castle.
LOL so anyone on your property is subject to castle doctrine and being shot?
Posted on 11/24/21 at 11:30 am to LSUPERMAN
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No where does it state they were on her property or approaching her residence.
Well shite, someone said she went into her house after they followed her home. Yeah that changes the game, unfortunately not in her favor.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 11:31 am to Big4SALTbro
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3. However he did intentionally follow the person onto their property which led to the gun coming out.
Defending property maybe Castle Doctrine or Stand your Ground law?
Either way she should have stayed inside. She may have a felony hit and run at most. Now she be dead..
Posted on 11/24/21 at 11:31 am to SECSolomonGrundy
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Will be an interesting self defense claim for sure.
no it isnt
sghe already committed hit and run and you could say that was attemped murder what she did
she fled the scene of a crime
she came out brandishing a weapon and any reasonable person could infer malicious intent in doing so and fear she was about to start shooting at them
it is clear self defense and there is no doubt
Posted on 11/24/21 at 11:31 am to shel311
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If you're 1 of those a-hole dudes on a motorcycle who weaves through traffic and ride in the middle, you suck. That doesn't mean I can then try to ram you with my car legally, not how it works.
That's a shame. It should be legal to open your car door if you see one of these pricks in your side mirror.
Ask yourself what the more likely scenario is:
1. A pregnant woman, alone, randomly decides to hit a motorcycle totally unprovoked knowing that she is putting her unborn child's life in imminent danger by doing so.
2. Three motorcyclists start aggressively intimidating a driver until they get sick of it and decide to give one of the motorcycles a little tap as a warning to fricking stop.
Option two is pretty easily the far more likely scenario. If the motorcyclists instigated this situation, all three of them should be thrown under the jail.
This post was edited on 11/24/21 at 11:35 am
Posted on 11/24/21 at 11:32 am to ducktale
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LOL so anyone on your property is subject to castle doctrine and being shot?
Got damn, stop cherry picking. I said she's not around to express the fear for her life. So yeah if she were around, this story would be very different. And apparently no one even followed her home.
This post was edited on 11/24/21 at 11:33 am
Posted on 11/24/21 at 11:33 am to Oates Mustache
quote:Did they? I didn't think that was confirmed.
These guys trespassed on her property
quote:True but they also wouldn't say he's likely to not be charged if there was some shite on him and his actions that said otherwise.
The cops aren't going to to shrug and go oh well, case closed.
This post was edited on 11/24/21 at 11:35 am
Posted on 11/24/21 at 11:34 am to Oates Mustache
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So yeah if she were around, this story would be very different.
Would it? How do you even know?
Posted on 11/24/21 at 11:36 am to ducktale
quote:Right, people keep repeating the "fear for her safety" line but it has to be a reasonable fear.
LOL so anyone on your property is subject to castle doctrine and being shot?
If the dude stopped before getting to her property, was on with 911, and just waiting and doing nothing, that doesn't seem reasonable to me. I don't know for sure he did that, but him not likely to be charged makes that a reasonable assumption.
This post was edited on 11/24/21 at 11:38 am
Posted on 11/24/21 at 11:38 am to VADawg
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Motorcyclists frick with car drivers all the time. Weaving in and out of traffic, cutting them off on the road, etc. I would be willing to bet that one or more of the bikers was fricking with her on the road because they think it's funny.
Baseless, pointless speculation.
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On no planet could I picture a pregnant woman by herself deciding it would be fun to instigate a fight with three bikers.
She instigated when she swerved into them a second time.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 11:39 am to VADawg
quote:Cool, but it's not
That's a shame. It should be legal to open your car door if you see one of these pricks in your side mirror.
quote:Now factor in all eyewitnesses stating she hit them intentionally AND a statement saying they're not likely to be charged and that alone shows you're pretty clearly making unreasonable assumptions.
Ask yourself what the more likely scenario is:
1. A pregnant woman, alone, randomly decides to hit a motorcycle totally unprovoked knowing that she is putting her unborn child's life in imminent danger by doing so.
2. Three motorcyclists start aggressively intimidating a driver until they get sick of it and decide to give one of the motorcycles a little tap as a warning to fricking stop.
Option two is pretty easily the far more likely scenario. If the motorcyclists instigated this situation, all three of them should be thrown under the jail.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 11:40 am to wadewilson
So you don't think anything that happened leading up to her tapping the motorcycle matters?
Posted on 11/24/21 at 11:40 am to shel311
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there is a world where she intentionally hit him with her car because she feared for her life, but I have no evidence to just make that assumption right now,
There is evidence for that in fiction world. One of the real world links I linked said he was pulling away from her and she was able to pull up, then intentionally swerved into him.
Y'all can stop looking for any excuse to knight for her. I reckon she isn't going to bang you now.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 11:41 am to VADawg
quote:I'm sure something happened. It's also more likely than not that this something that happened then made it legal for her to make it a physical altercation and hit one of the bikers.
So you don't think anything that happened leading up to her tapping the motorcycle matters?
Because if they did something that did make it reasonable for her to do that, then her actions later at the house would likely be a lot more reasonable to fear for her safety, which the police do not believe th be the case, so again, the reasonable assumption is basically the opposite of what you think.
This post was edited on 11/24/21 at 11:42 am
Posted on 11/24/21 at 11:42 am to VADawg
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That's a shame. It should be legal to open your car door if you see one of these pricks in your side mirror.
Lane splitting at intersections is legal in many states because it's unsafe for motorcycles to stop in line.
Too many inattentive car drivers that just "don't see the motorcycle".
ETA: also, this may not be what happened. You're just looking for any reason to blame anyone but the woman who escalated at every stage.
This post was edited on 11/24/21 at 11:44 am
Posted on 11/24/21 at 11:43 am to Silver Buzzard
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I am very familiar with biker culture. Any infraction real or imagined might have elicited a door kick or other aggressive action.
I agree.
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I don't think the whole story will ever be told.
I agree again.
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Bottomw line. Three men followed a prenant librarian who left the security of her home and was waving a gun at them instead of calling the police to her home, and now she is dead.
Now, I agree.
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Apparently they (both the woman and the bikers) did not call the police, and planned their own justice.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 11:43 am to Hangit
quote:So, exactly like I said...got it.
There is evidence for that in fiction world. One of the real world links I linked said he was pulling away from her and she was able to pull up, then intentionally swerved into him.
Y'all can stop looking for any excuse to knight for her. I reckon she isn't going to bang you now.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 11:44 am to Oates Mustache
They were standing out at the road, and she came out almost to the road, screaming at them, because she hit and ran. When she pointed her weapon at the guy she hit, she fount out.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 11:45 am to SECdragonmaster
quote:They both did call the police.
Apparently they (both the woman and the bikers) did not call the police, and planned their own justice.
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