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re: Will the ability to grow fetuses outside of a woman's body end the argument over abortion?
Posted on 5/22/19 at 1:58 pm to crewdepoo
Posted on 5/22/19 at 1:58 pm to crewdepoo
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Would it still be their responsibility? If not, who’s gonna care for it?
Pretty sure that’s pride’s whole point
This post was edited on 5/22/19 at 1:59 pm
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Posted on 5/22/19 at 2:01 pm to lsupride87
quote:I absolutely think many are hiding behind “women should have the right to their body.”
My opinion is alot of people that hid behind "women should have the right to their body", truly are pro-choice because they dont want the idea of their child walking around this earth weighing on their mind constantly etc etc
The thought of every would be aborted baby being instantly thrown into foster care scared tf out of me.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 2:05 pm to mdomingue
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Exactly what a spawn of Satan would say to protect pops.
You are welcome to prove me wrong. I already know you can't but do your best buddy. Maybe you'll get credit for effort.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 2:06 pm to crewdepoo
Here's another problem.
Most of the people who are considering an abortion are simply looking for an exit from an inconvenient situation. If given the choice between aborting the child or going through a more involved and expensive surgical procedure to remove the child but keep its life in tact, they would likely choose the abortion.
Why? First of all, they have no moral quandaries about abortion in the first place. They feel no obligation or responsibility for their actions and they will simply choose the most convenient solution, an abortion.
The only way you could possibly work around this is to make this other solution more convenient than simply getting an abortion.
Could it be a tax-payer subsidized choice while an abortion remains an elective procedure?
Then you throw in the utilitarian complaints about abortion laws. "Who will take care of these unwanted lab-grown babies?".
Are there ways to streamline adoption costs and procedures? Government programs responsible for raising and taking care of these kids until adulthood?
All these are tough questions when you can simply just let people kill their kids and reason to yourself that they're not real people anyway.
Most of the people who are considering an abortion are simply looking for an exit from an inconvenient situation. If given the choice between aborting the child or going through a more involved and expensive surgical procedure to remove the child but keep its life in tact, they would likely choose the abortion.
Why? First of all, they have no moral quandaries about abortion in the first place. They feel no obligation or responsibility for their actions and they will simply choose the most convenient solution, an abortion.
The only way you could possibly work around this is to make this other solution more convenient than simply getting an abortion.
Could it be a tax-payer subsidized choice while an abortion remains an elective procedure?
Then you throw in the utilitarian complaints about abortion laws. "Who will take care of these unwanted lab-grown babies?".
Are there ways to streamline adoption costs and procedures? Government programs responsible for raising and taking care of these kids until adulthood?
All these are tough questions when you can simply just let people kill their kids and reason to yourself that they're not real people anyway.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 2:53 pm to mindbreaker
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You are welcome to prove me wrong. I already know you can't but do your best buddy. Maybe you'll get credit for effort.
I don't think that is provable in either case. My take on it is spiritual things are not provable. By definition, myths are not provable. Logically, negatives are not provable.
This type of thing is a matter of people having to agree to disagree. Which is why I tried to make a joke, apparently unsuccessfully.
Though not to worry, I am used to being unsuccessful at humor.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 3:18 pm to lsupride87
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I would think the medical technology to have a fetus grow outside of a womans body is not too far off, considering everything else they can do with fetuses and childbirth in general
You are kidding, right????? Is your name by any chance Aldous Huxley??????
Posted on 5/22/19 at 3:19 pm to lsupride87
It certainly would end the debate over what's a life.
This post was edited on 5/22/19 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 5/22/19 at 3:21 pm to lsupride87
Is their mind not their body?
Why force a continuation purely because it has started (because you think you get hero points and don't have to think or deal with consequences at all, just wanting the chance at easy free speech) and no other reason, disregarding the entire negative outlook of the offspring and how you are also further limiting the chances of children already suffering in foster care's chances of making it out — much less to a caring family with pure intentions
People need to stop acting like restricting abortion should be punishment for sex
That's like telling people they shouldn't have driven if they don't want to get in an accident
Disagreement with abortion is purely black and white religious thinking, selfish, and unempathetic to anyone actually directly involved. They are upset that if they frick up or have, that they themselves would have to have the kid because they hate their religion too
Why force a continuation purely because it has started (because you think you get hero points and don't have to think or deal with consequences at all, just wanting the chance at easy free speech) and no other reason, disregarding the entire negative outlook of the offspring and how you are also further limiting the chances of children already suffering in foster care's chances of making it out — much less to a caring family with pure intentions
People need to stop acting like restricting abortion should be punishment for sex
That's like telling people they shouldn't have driven if they don't want to get in an accident
Disagreement with abortion is purely black and white religious thinking, selfish, and unempathetic to anyone actually directly involved. They are upset that if they frick up or have, that they themselves would have to have the kid because they hate their religion too
This post was edited on 5/22/19 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 5/22/19 at 3:33 pm to KiwiHead
quote:Considering I watched the uterus of a 50 year old woman be transplanted into the body of a 20 year old woman in order for the 20 year old woman to actually carry the 50 year olds grandbaby, no, I am not kidding.
You are kidding, right?
This post was edited on 5/22/19 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 5/22/19 at 3:35 pm to Num1TigerSpam
quote:If the fetus can literally live on its own without the mother, you are opening up a can of legal worms at this point.
Is their mind not their body?
Why force a continuation purely because it has started (because you think you get hero points and don't have to think or deal with consequences at all, just wanting the chance at easy free speech) and no other reason, disregarding the entire negative outlook of the offspring and how you are also further limiting the chances of children already suffering in foster care's chances of making it out — much less to a caring family with pure intentions
People need to stop acting like restricting abortion should be punishment for sex
That's like telling people they shouldn't have driven if they don't want to get in an accident
Disagreement with abortion is purely black and white religious thinking, selfish, and unempathetic to anyone actually directly involved. They are upset that if they frick up or have, that they themselves would have to have the kid because they hate their religion too
What if I say my neighbor causes me mental anguish by being a Bama fan. Can I legally abort/kill him?
Posted on 5/22/19 at 3:58 pm to lsupride87
quote:Cher will house them.
How much of abortion is truly about the womans body and her right? It feels to me more about "what the frick are we going to do with these kids?"
Posted on 5/22/19 at 4:26 pm to lsupride87
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I would think the medical technology to have a fetus grow outside of a womans body is not too far off, considering everything else they can do with fetuses and childbirth in general
In theory, shouldnt this solve the argument over abortion?
1. the pro-choice argument revolves around women having the choice over their body. Well, this would allow the fetus to be removed from their body
2. the pro-life crowd should be happy the fetus is now able to survive into childhood
What says the OT? Please dont move this to the political board. I would like somewhat neutral discussion.
My opinion is alot of people that hid behind "women should have the right to their body", truly are pro-choice because they dont want the idea of their child walking around this earth weighing on their mind constantly etc etc
The problem with this is a lot of people would quit using birth control if they could just give the fetus away. There's already a couple hundred thousand orphans in the US, I suspect that number would grow substantially. It is an interesting thought though.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 4:29 pm to TH03
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pro abortion
It's pro choice not pro abortion. I don't think I would choose that option if I were in the situation unless the mother's life were in danger or there was a severe genetic problem with the fetus. However, I fully support each person being able to make that choice for themselves.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 4:30 pm to arcalades
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libs are the children of Satan. Satan is all about killing and destroying. Satan will continue killing and using libs to do it.
I only wish there was a bigger eyeroll emoji that would truly capture how I feel about this post.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 4:31 pm to lsupride87
Since it’s her body I’ve always wondered why someone that aborts a baby, isn’t deemed mentally unstable due to self harming.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 4:32 pm to KosmoCramer
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It's also why RvW is in trouble
It's also why Congress should've codified it into law instead of just relying on a legal decision to be the sole determinant of something this massive.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 4:34 pm to lsupride87
It would be interesting for sure. The unborn fetus that cannot survive without the mother's body supporting it is like the vegetable on life support that cannot survive without life support. If one has the decision to pull someone off life support and that being passes away (Terry Schiavo comes to mind), the mother should ostensibly be able to pull the plug on the 'vegetable' that is inside her on life support.
Growing the fetus outside the female womb takes away the main argument of the pro-choice movement about the woman's right to control her body. This thread should be an absolute shite show in no time.
Growing the fetus outside the female womb takes away the main argument of the pro-choice movement about the woman's right to control her body. This thread should be an absolute shite show in no time.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 4:34 pm to Num1TigerSpam
quote:The argument/answer to your question is to not kill babies, but I'm not sure what that needed to be said.
Why force a continuation purely because it has started (because you think you get hero points and don't have to think or deal with consequences at all, just wanting the chance at easy free speech) and no other reason, disregarding the entire negative outlook of the offspring and how you are also further limiting the chances of children already suffering in foster care's chances of making it out — much less to a caring family with pure intentions
Posted on 5/22/19 at 4:35 pm to PrivatePublic
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The plural of fungus is fungi. Why isn't the plural of fetus feti?
fetus derives from Latin’s fourth declension, meaning that its etymologically consistent plural form would be fetus — spelt the same but distinguished in pronunciation as fe'to?os (it could also be spelt *fetus or *fetûs, to show this); the -us ? -i rule is a pattern of the second declension.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 4:37 pm to lsupride87
Sounds really fricked up.
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