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re: Why Haven’t We Been Able to Develop a Mask that Protects the Wearer?

Posted on 3/4/21 at 9:54 am to
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 3/4/21 at 9:54 am to
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The one that said 42 of 2,393 people (1.8%) in the mask group and 53 of 2,470 (2.1%) in the no-mask group contracted Covid over the test period.


Odd that you're ignoring the analysis if the results, almost as if you block out anything that goes against what you already think.
Posted by St Augustine
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Posted on 3/4/21 at 9:54 am to
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Even the N95 doesn't protect against corona viruses.


Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 3/4/21 at 9:55 am to
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Back to my original point. Trusting someone else to protect you as opposed taking that responsibility and not leaving it up to others.


I don't think many here disagree with this
Posted by Centinel
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Posted on 3/4/21 at 9:55 am to
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42 of 2,393 people (1.8%) in the mask group and 53 of 2,470 (2.1%) in the no-mask group contracted Covid over the test period.


I think this is pretty clear. Almost as clear as the actual case statistics across the world.

This post was edited on 3/4/21 at 9:56 am
Posted by lockthevaught
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Posted on 3/4/21 at 9:57 am to
At this point, I think our only option for future pandemics is to ban all domestic and international travel and do it as soon as the virus is detected. That coupled with Wuhan style quarantining and isolating cities is the only thing that will work.

Anything else and people's freedoms will be violated and you'll see the exact thing that happened with Covid. Covid proved that Americans are going to do whatever the frick they want. You can't depend on a general population to control the spread of a virus...period.
This post was edited on 3/4/21 at 9:59 am
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 3/4/21 at 9:58 am to
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I think this is pretty clear. Almost as clear as the actual case statistics across the world.


Again, you are ignoring the researchers own data analysis to read what you want out of that test. I'm convinced you're just trolling at this point, so no more responses from me.
Posted by Jcorye1
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Posted on 3/4/21 at 10:00 am to
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The "mask do nothing" people have been some of the most entertaining in all of this. What you're saying should be a common sense conclusion that doesn't require your knowledge as a doctor



Agreed. I think the value of said masks is a bit overstated, mostly due to user error, but I also believe it should be up to the person to wear/not wear.
Posted by Ingeniero
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Posted on 3/4/21 at 10:01 am to
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A cotton mask led to an approximately 20% to 40% reduction in virus uptake compared to no mask (Fig. 2B). The N95 mask had the highest protective efficacy (approximately 80% to 90% reduction) of the various masks examined; however, infectious virus penetration was measurable even when the N95 mask was completely fitted to the face with adhesive tape (Fig. 2B). In contrast, when a mask was attached to the mannequin that released virus, cotton and surgical masks blocked more than 50% of the virus transmission, whereas the N95 mask showed considerable protective efficacy (Fig. 2C). There was a synergistic effect when both the virus receiver and virus spreader wore masks (cotton masks or surgical masks) to prevent the transmission of infective droplets/aerosols (Fig. 2D and ?andEE).

Effectiveness of Face Masks in Preventing Airborne Transmission of SARS-CoV-2

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In conclusion, we have measured the filtration efficiencies of various commonly available fabrics for use as cloth masks in filtering particles in the significant (for aerosol-based virus transmission) size range of ~10 nm to ~6 µm and have presented filtration efficiency data as a function of aerosol particle size. We find that cotton, natural silk, and chiffon can provide good protection, typically above 50% in the entire 10 nm to 6.0 µm range, provided they have a tight weave. Higher threads per inch cotton with tighter weaves resulted in better filtration efficiencies. For instance, a 600 TPI cotton sheet can provide average filtration efficiencies of 79 ± 23% (in the 10 nm to 300 nm range) and 98.4 ± 0.2% (in the 300 nm to 6 µm range). A cotton quilt with batting provides 96 ± 2% (10 nm to 300 nm) and 96.1 ± 0.3% (300 nm to 6 µm)




Aerosol Filtration Efficiency of Common Fabrics Used in Respiratory Cloth Masks
Posted by Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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Posted on 3/4/21 at 10:01 am to






Keep fricking that chicken though
This post was edited on 3/4/21 at 10:08 am
Posted by STEVED00
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Posted on 3/4/21 at 10:03 am to
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Just because it is useless for whatever exposure you are protecting yourself from in your job does not mean it is useless for all applications.


Great. I just think it’s funny you are advocating for the mask and it’s effectiveness but in the same breath clearly say that most people aren’t wearing them properly.

Like I’ve said from the start of this thread, relying on strangers to properly wear a mask to protect you from Covid is just irresponsible now that we are a year into this thing. Especially considering that they are available mask options that provide much better protection than a T-Shirt with ear straps and there is a very effective vaccine that is available for people that SCIENCE shows are at high risk of serious complications of Covid.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 3/4/21 at 10:05 am to
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I just think it’s funny you are advocating for the mask and it’s effectiveness but in the same breath clearly say that most people aren’t wearing them properly.


These aren't contradictory positions though.
Posted by Forever
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Posted on 3/4/21 at 10:06 am to
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We got some big brain baws here who go to the ER when they get sick but simultaneously say they distrust doctors. Like, what

My cousin is one of the best surgeons in Houston and owns one of the largest practices there and he thinks masks are a joke and I’ve never seen him wear one. Why do you distrust his opinion?

Masks are stupid, they functionally do nothing, I haven’t heard anyone cough in public since COVID started so the “it’s a cough barrier” argument is pointless, and the people who go along with them have nothing interesting going on in their lives and just want to fit in with other brainlet morons who don’t have anything interesting going on.

Being a mask Karen and bragging about which version of the vaccine you got are not personality traits
Posted by dgnx6
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Posted on 3/4/21 at 10:06 am to
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The "mask do nothing" people have been some of the most entertaining in all of this. What you're saying should be a common sense conclusion that doesn't require your knowledge as a doctor


If I have a mask on and some bloke 30 ft away doesn't. Why would I be worried?

Why would you or anyone else go up to that person to scream at them with your mask falling off your face?

Seems like the no mask person was the sane one.

Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 3/4/21 at 10:07 am to
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If I have a mask on and some bloke 30 ft away doesn't. Why would I be worried?

Why would you or anyone else go up to that person to scream at them with your mask falling off your face?

Seems like the no mask person was the sane one.


Not sure what this has to do with what you quoted from me I wouldn't do that and would laugh at someone that did.
Posted by Ingeniero
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Posted on 3/4/21 at 10:08 am to
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Like I’ve said from the start of this thread, relying on strangers to properly wear a mask to protect you from Covid is just irresponsible now that we are a year into this thing. Especially considering that they are available mask options that provide much better protection than a T-Shirt with ear straps and there is a very effective vaccine that is available for people that SCIENCE shows are at high risk of serious complications of Covid.



You can believe in the efficacy of masks in reducing transmission while still supporting your statement. I don't want to rely on other people doing something properly to protect myself, which is why I'll get the vaccine when it's available to me.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 3/4/21 at 10:08 am to
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I just think it’s funny you are advocating for the mask and it’s effectiveness but in the same breath clearly say that most people aren’t wearing them properly.



these are not contradictory statements though

people like to conflate mandates vs individual mask usage here and its annoying af (see Ronaldo right above you)

the mandates don't work due to a host of variables

but 2 individuals wearing masks will reduce transmission to some degree , as this has been proven by plenty of studies

you can be anti mandate and still think that masks work to some degree on an individual level

but its been politicized so much people have to pick a side as if its all or nothing
Posted by baldona
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Posted on 3/4/21 at 10:09 am to
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At this point, I think our only option for future pandemics is to ban all domestic and international travel and do it as soon as the virus is detected. That coupled with Wuhan style quarantining and isolating cities is the only thing that will work.

Anything else and people's freedoms will be violated and you'll see the exact thing that happened with Covid. Covid proved that Americans are going to do whatever the frick they want. You can't depend on a general population to control the spread of a virus...period.


Wut, you don't think restricting travel is violating a freedom? You don't think a curfew is violating a freedom? I would argue doing those things are incredible violations.

I would argue that almost everyone agrees that masks do something, the disparity is in how much they do and if forcing people to wear a mask and follow other restrictions of their freedoms that massively hurt the economy are worth it for a virus of this nature. That's where the true disagreements lay IMO.
Posted by cattus
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Posted on 3/4/21 at 10:17 am to
I've seen studies that say they work and don't work and either way it seems negligible considering all things. It's probably time for all states to move to dropping mandates on the populous.

These studies are carried out in controlled environments and that's not the reality of what we deal with.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 3/4/21 at 10:18 am to
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either way it seems negligible considering all things


on a macro scale, yes

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These studies are carried out in controlled environments and that's not the reality of what we deal with.


not all of them, no
This post was edited on 3/4/21 at 10:19 am
Posted by Sidicous
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Posted on 3/4/21 at 10:27 am to
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Hospitals fit test employees once per year, not daily.

Also in a hospital setting the masks aren't re-used unless they are sanitized in between.
Exactly the point.

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In addition to annual fit testing, fit testing is required when there are changes in an employee’s physical condition that could affect respirator fit and when a worker must wear a new model or type of tight-fitting respirator, such as the common N95 filtering facepiece respirator.
from CDC on Fit Testing

Youtube link from CDC on Seal Testing

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While fit testing is ideal to confirm if a respirator does or does not fit, healthcare professionals should be able to obtain a good fit if they have had training and they perform a user seal check prior to each use of the respirator.
also from the CDC


Short supplies necessitate multiple types be used requiring a fit test for each in addition to the annual. Trained personnel obtain a good fit by performing a seal test prior to each use.

So the general public is SOL on proper fit and seal and how many hospital workers are literally trained as opposed to sitting through a mandatory meeting while they twiddle with their phones?

The 2 hospitals I worked prior to this crap, only the personnel who might have occasion to need a respirator were annually fit tested on a single model/type and the training was a non existent 2 or 3 sentence guidance.
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