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Why does weight room strength not always equal grappling strength?
Posted on 1/7/21 at 8:02 am
Posted on 1/7/21 at 8:02 am
I’m sure most people here have wrestled with someone before and felt like you were pretty evenly matched even when you know that person can lift 30 or 40 pounds more than you (or maybe it’s just me idk), my question is why is this? Shouldn’t the stronger person be able to win lik 99% of the time?
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Posted on 1/7/21 at 8:04 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Because technique is paramount.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 8:04 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
leverage is king
Posted on 1/7/21 at 8:05 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
I think it all comes down to core strength.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 8:05 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Vectors and the knowledge/skill on how to apply them.
Brock Lesnar was one who applied both at an epic level.
ETA: you left out speed/quickness in relation to grappling. That is huge.
Brock Lesnar was one who applied both at an epic level.
ETA: you left out speed/quickness in relation to grappling. That is huge.
This post was edited on 1/7/21 at 8:07 am
Posted on 1/7/21 at 8:05 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Leverage, technique and knowing where pressure applied will make the tension in the other persons arms/legs give out.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 8:08 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Technique. Same reason a bodybuilder wouldn't necessarily be a good runningback.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 8:09 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world
Posted on 1/7/21 at 8:09 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
If I’m attempting an americana or Kimura, I’m using at least half of all of my muscles on one of your smallest muscles, your tricep and/or deltoids.
Same thing with the arm bar, it’s all of my muscles against your bicep. And if I can use my legs to turn your face away separating your head from your shoulder, you will lose about 50% efficiency in that bicep.
And with some foot stuff, there are no muscles really, just tendons to break.
Same thing with the arm bar, it’s all of my muscles against your bicep. And if I can use my legs to turn your face away separating your head from your shoulder, you will lose about 50% efficiency in that bicep.
And with some foot stuff, there are no muscles really, just tendons to break.
This post was edited on 1/7/21 at 8:15 am
Posted on 1/7/21 at 8:10 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Weight room strength is fake. Same reason dad strength and farm strength is normally stronger than those punks that go to the gym.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 8:11 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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Why does weight room strength not always equal grappling strength?
Bc people lie about the weight room but can't like IRL situations
Posted on 1/7/21 at 8:13 am to Wtodd
I have followed miyagi do teachings and left the weights behind.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 8:17 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Weights don't try to change the direction of the forces you are applying to them. They react strictly to gravity.
Example: Say you can bench press 350lbs (This is the OT, so that's on the low end of the average max). Imagine that instead of you just pressing it back up from your chest, your spotter pushes the bar away from the rack during your press. You think you're gonna rack that barbell?
Example: Say you can bench press 350lbs (This is the OT, so that's on the low end of the average max). Imagine that instead of you just pressing it back up from your chest, your spotter pushes the bar away from the rack during your press. You think you're gonna rack that barbell?
Posted on 1/7/21 at 8:22 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
I sat in on a D1 college wrestling practice about 10 years ago. Craziest shite I've ever seen. Those kids are monsters and I don't know how they didn't fall over dead at the end of it.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 8:22 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
How many older Guys win medals in the Olympics in wrestling? It may surprise you
Posted on 1/7/21 at 8:30 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Because a lot of lifts in the weight room don't necessarily build functional strength for something like grappling.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 8:35 am to Fox McCloud
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Weight room strength is fake. Same reason dad strength and farm strength is normally stronger than those punks that go to the gym.
Both are functional in the right venue. If you stick to one method of training, you will become a specialist in that singular dimension.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 8:37 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
The simple answer is because of the range of motion for the different movements and the speed of muscle fiber activation in the two activities.
FWIW, I was a wrestler in high school and have taken both Anatomy and Physiology as an undergrad and as post graduate/grad school.
FWIW, I was a wrestler in high school and have taken both Anatomy and Physiology as an undergrad and as post graduate/grad school.
This post was edited on 1/7/21 at 8:40 am
Posted on 1/7/21 at 8:37 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
This is a disguised gorilla thread, isn't it?
Technique has been mentioned which is a huge part of the equation but there is another aspect that is important also. There can be a marked difference in explosive power between two people. Someone that spends their time focused on the Big 3 compound lifts is often missing an element of explosive power.
A lot of people train in the gym to get better at training in the gym. Athletes doing a proper regimen for their sport are training to get better at a strength/speed aspect of their sport. There are a lot of people that lift heavy but to lift heavy you have to focus the movement on the large muscle groups and while say squats are nearly the opposite of an isolation exercise proper technique is designed to avoid putting too much pressure on secondary muscle groups.
So even with technique being equal someone that focuses on their total may be easily beaten by someone that has less strength in the major groups but has either or both more explosive power or a better balance of power over all the primary, secondary and tertiary muscles.
Technique has been mentioned which is a huge part of the equation but there is another aspect that is important also. There can be a marked difference in explosive power between two people. Someone that spends their time focused on the Big 3 compound lifts is often missing an element of explosive power.
A lot of people train in the gym to get better at training in the gym. Athletes doing a proper regimen for their sport are training to get better at a strength/speed aspect of their sport. There are a lot of people that lift heavy but to lift heavy you have to focus the movement on the large muscle groups and while say squats are nearly the opposite of an isolation exercise proper technique is designed to avoid putting too much pressure on secondary muscle groups.
So even with technique being equal someone that focuses on their total may be easily beaten by someone that has less strength in the major groups but has either or both more explosive power or a better balance of power over all the primary, secondary and tertiary muscles.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 8:40 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Technique and leverage is the great equalizer
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