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re: Why does weight room strength not always equal grappling strength?
Posted on 1/7/21 at 10:10 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Posted on 1/7/21 at 10:10 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
There is a significant mental component as well. For whatever reason, some people are incredibly strong (both static and functional) have a mental block when having to use that strength in situations like grappling.
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Posted on 1/7/21 at 10:17 am to Antonio Moss
We used to call it country strong or farm boy strong. When you work out any weight room, do you perform a certain set up list using a very precise body farm. It only works the muscles in that particular direction. When you grow up working on a form or in some other hard labor arena, you work muscles moving in every direction imaginable. Someone said core strength earlier and I believe that essentially this is what it amounts to. The strongest guys I ever played with or against for that matter find my country and/ or farms. Their hand strength alone was amazing. I knew a lot of guys that could power clean 300 more pounds, but could not squeeze your hand hard enough to make it hurt. I knew a few farm boys that muscled up 300 or so pounds on power clean the worst form imaginable, what would make you cry if they squeezed your hand as hard as possible.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 10:55 am to Antonio Moss
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There is a significant mental component as well. For whatever reason, some people are incredibly strong (both static and functional) have a mental block when having to use that strength in situations like grappling.
That's because they don't have any grappling training and don't know what to do. All beginners want to either push people away and hold them back or bear hug/head lock and squeeze as hard as possible. Will still get worked till they learn what to do and what not to do. It's definitely a humbling experience at first, especially to the ones that think they're in shape.
This post was edited on 1/7/21 at 10:56 am
Posted on 1/7/21 at 12:00 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
i use to work with a guy who talked a lot of shite about how strong he was, he was built like a greek god. But he didint have an athletic bone in his body. Anyway i pinned him 3 times in about 2 minutes. All that muscle for nothing 
Posted on 1/7/21 at 1:17 pm to lowhound
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That's because they don't have any grappling training and don't know what to do.
No, there are people who have years of training that still don't use their strength when grappling. It's a mental block.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 1:33 pm to UnitedFruitCompany
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There was a rule at school when it came to fighting hierarchy. In order of potential success of winning:
Nerd
Athlete
Wrestler
Farmer
If you really wanted to test yourself you went up against the wrestler and you'd usually lose. However, you never ever fricked with the farmer kid. They have something called real world strength and it's fricking scary.
Pretty accurate assessment. In college I was a doorman in a bar that catered heavily to athletes and the frats & sororities. The toughest fights to break up were between the wrestlers, hockey players and football players but by far the Wisconsin farmboys were the toughest out. As soon as you grabbed their wrists and they resisted it like "oh shite." The farmboys would clean up in fights against the roided up frat boys who couldn't fight worth a lick. My roommate was a combination of three- farmboy, state champion wrestler and three-time All-American at nose tackle for Wisconsin- NFL Pro Bowler Tim Krumrie. Quite possibly the toughest dude I ever met.
This post was edited on 1/8/21 at 7:51 am
Posted on 1/7/21 at 6:05 pm to AZBadgerFan
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My roommate was a combination of three- farmboy, state champion wrestler and three-time All-American at nose tackle for Wisconsin- NFL Pro Bowler Tim Krumrie. Quite possibly the toughest dude I ever met.
good lord. So basically a real life Mountain that rides? Would hate to upset someone like that.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 7:16 pm to JoeNelson
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All that muscle for nothing
I have been training BJJ for a little over 10 years. Our professor and my close personal friend was given his black belt by this little runt of a dude who is a 4 stripe directly under Royler Gracie. He maybe weighs 150 soaking wet. I have seen him absolutely destroy bodybuilder type animals that weigh sometimes twice as much as he does. It is often comical. Shite I am 220 and still lift pretty heavy for a 49 year old and when I roll with him, he gets me more times than not. Sad thing is I often know where he is going most of the time with his game and can often muscle out of most jams because I actually can use my strength most of the time pretty efficiently where most weight room warriors have no clue.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 7:23 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Multiple angles and multiple plane of motions used in grappling
Posted on 1/7/21 at 7:25 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
strength gained during grappling is different than strength gained during static lifts
Posted on 1/7/21 at 7:26 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Because adrenaline is increased during grappling.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 7:29 pm to Epic Cajun
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Because a lot of lifts in the weight room don't necessarily build functional strength for something like grappling.
That is why Strongman may be the best of the Strngth Sports. It isn't just get this weight from A to B, it has many different lifts, some of which are static, others that are active. It tests all types of strength as well as endurance.
It is also why Mark Henry may very well be the strongest human to ever live. He had competed at the highest level and won in three major Strength Sports. On top of that, his athleticism is off the charts. He may or may not have been legitimately clean (I believe he was much cleaner than anyone he was competing against), but if he had kept competing and did get into heavy PED use, he'd probably hold every major heavyweight record there is. Hell, he won the first Arnold's Strongman Classic with just a few months of dedicated training and time off from WWF. Hell, as a fourth grader he was 5'5" tall and weighed 225 lbs.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 8:28 pm to MWP
So what should I do to become strong ? Not go to gym but lidt boxes ? Just do focus fighting technique
Posted on 1/7/21 at 9:40 pm to UnitedFruitCompany
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However, you never ever fricked with the farmer kid.
I believe it has to do with “farm” kids being weighted down in real world scenarios from a young age. Weightlifters don’t normally start till 14 or 15. By then a “farm” kid is a man as to carrying weight in every angle, throwing, packing and lifting. Their tendons and core are at a a place the other kids can’t ever catch.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 10:02 pm to Tigersonfire
Bailing hay is a fricking nightmare. Buddy had a family farm and I tried it one weekend. I'm no slouch and goddamn was that shite hard. They made it look effortless. Very very humbling experience. And, to your point, the guy had been doing it since he was 9. You just can't fake those kinds of reps. Plus, the one thing never factored into the farm kids thing is their diet. Usually they eat pretty clean and hearty foods. Not a lot of processed crap. Makes a huge difference.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 11:11 pm to hollowpoint
Pro strongmen show up in the gym, and they’re the strongest humans on the planet.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 11:14 pm to michael corleone
The best grip guys in the world aren’t Farmers. Look up Nathan Holle, strongest crush grip in the world. He wouldn’t make your hand hurt... he’d crush it.
People talk about farmers being strong.. strongmen and powerlifters will be stronger. Don’t try to tell me a farmer is stronger than Kirill Sarychev, Denis Cyplenkov, Brian Shaw, etc. Not even close.
People talk about farmers being strong.. strongmen and powerlifters will be stronger. Don’t try to tell me a farmer is stronger than Kirill Sarychev, Denis Cyplenkov, Brian Shaw, etc. Not even close.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 11:16 pm to The Silverback
Im a lifter (not a farmer) and have done a couple of world class feats of grip strength.
Posted on 1/8/21 at 3:01 am to The Silverback
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Im a lifter (not a farmer) and have done a couple of world class feats of grip strength.
I've dabbled in both but have pretty big hands.
Twin smooth 45s are still my Everest. My thumb just isnt in the right spot for grip. It's more of a hook.
Posted on 1/8/21 at 3:32 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
I worked on a farm one summer from sunrise to 9:00 pm everyday. May until football practice started in August.
That fall, I was the most in shape and strongest I have ever been in my life. That farm made me country strong...way more ready for a 13 game season than the weight room.
That fall, I was the most in shape and strongest I have ever been in my life. That farm made me country strong...way more ready for a 13 game season than the weight room.
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