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re: Why does weight room strength not always equal grappling strength?

Posted on 1/8/21 at 4:30 am to
Posted by DaTiger
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Posted on 1/8/21 at 4:30 am to
Leverage. The ability to master techniques that allow you to have superior leverage. This must be practiced so that it is second nature. When a situation happens, you don’t have time to think, you must act with superior technique.
Posted by TomballTiger
Htown
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Posted on 1/8/21 at 6:52 am to
Div II wrestler here. I agree it's a balance of skills with hip and core strength being huge. It's also about being able to change levels and angles with your hips basically. Good thread would read again
Posted by Hogwarts
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Posted on 1/8/21 at 7:36 am to
Doesn’t take into account “old man strength “
Posted by uptowntiger84
uptown
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Posted on 1/8/21 at 8:02 am to
Different muscle groups used and quick twitch muscles.
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
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Posted on 1/8/21 at 8:05 am to
Because the guy in the weight room ain’t training ufc tee
Posted by The Silverback
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Member since May 2013
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Posted on 1/8/21 at 8:48 am to
The two 45 pinch is tough, especially deep dish plates. I haven’t done either but have closed the captains of crush #3 (with 152 pound RGC) lol. I think best way to build your thumb is with thick bar training (that is what my grip coach told me to do)
Anyways good luck in reaching that pinch feat!
Posted by The Silverback
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Posted on 1/8/21 at 8:51 am to
I just wonder how much leverage really helps if you’re opponent is vastly more powerful. For example I don’t believe a 120 pound fighter would have a chance to pin or out-leverage Hafþór Björnsson, one of the biggest and strongest men to ever live.
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 1/8/21 at 9:51 am to
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I think best way to build your thumb is with thick bar training


From the ob gun thread the other night.



The problem is they are paws
Posted by Delacroix22
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 1/8/21 at 10:10 am to
What about retard strength
Posted by Gatorbait2008
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 1/8/21 at 10:13 am to
Most people do not work out core muscles to gain complete strength. They grow the muscles that gets them pussy.

Cant blame them.
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 1/8/21 at 10:19 am to
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What about retard strength


Watch the end of peanut butter falcon
Posted by Dirk Dawgler
Georgia
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Posted on 1/8/21 at 10:21 am to
Same reason that I was an all county offensive lineman at 180lbs dripping wet. Most of the people I engaged on the LOS were 230+. Speed, leverage, and explosiveness at the point of attack....and then positioning to maintain that leverage. I never took up the sport of wrestling but could almost always win a grapple with another non-trained person 30-50lbs heavier than me and in good shape. However, I did get twisted up pretty good by a 140lb friend of mine who was a State Champion wrestler. LOL
Posted by The Silverback
Manhattan, NYC
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 1/8/21 at 1:29 pm to
Doesn’t exist. No evidence to prove that mental retardation has a positive correlation with natural muscular strength.
Posted by CrimsonTideMD
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 1/8/21 at 1:46 pm to
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My roommate was a combination of three- farmboy, state champion wrestler and three-time All-American at nose tackle for Wisconsin- NFL Pro Bowler Tim Krumrie. Quite possibly the toughest dude I ever met.


Bet my retarded dad could hop right off his tractor and whip Tim's arse.
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 1/8/21 at 2:03 pm to
Agreed

I know with children and young adults with Down syndrome, their muscle tone can be mildly flaccid and sports such as gymnastics is not recommended
Posted by lowhound
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Posted on 1/8/21 at 2:56 pm to
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Doesn’t take into account “old man strength “


Grappling isn't a sport for old men, so if you ever come across an old grappler that still grapplers, don't frick with that guy.
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
69981 posts
Posted on 1/8/21 at 3:15 pm to
I just started 6 months ago and I’m 38

The biggest thing for me is improving my hip mobility and reaction speed. I never felt overpowered just not able to react fast enough guess that’ll come with more mat time
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