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re: Why does Imperial Japan not get the same rep as Nazi Germany

Posted on 1/25/17 at 9:37 pm to
Posted by SuperSaint
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Posted on 1/25/17 at 9:37 pm to
Saw some yellow bud the other day
Posted by Rebel
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Posted on 1/25/17 at 9:42 pm to
Yellow?

I guess they have red, blue, and purple. Why not yellow?
Posted by JazzyJeff
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Posted on 1/25/17 at 9:42 pm to
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Apparently Japanese denial of their atrocities is a thing. Could just be a few loonies making everyone look bad, but I do remember at least a couple of them being state sponsored with supposed war criminals being honored at national monuments and the textbooks. I've never been or lived there like you though so it's not like I have an actual feel on the pulse.
They do tend to white wash in their textbooks the extent of their war crimes but Japanese PMs in the past have apologized to both countries. But it's a never ending loop with the Chinese and Koreans. The Japanese no longer really give a frick what their butt hurt Asain neighbors think as long as they keep visiting Japan and dropping some serious cash into the local economies.
Posted by kingbob
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Posted on 1/25/17 at 9:45 pm to
They paid for it with 2 nukes and were nearly completely disarmed as a country while watching the country they tried to conquer surpass them in economic prominence and global relevance. They got their comeuppance.
Posted by Rebel
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Posted on 1/25/17 at 9:46 pm to
Chinese rulers have routinely done a lot worse to the Chinese people than the Japanese have ever thought about doing.
Posted by The Boat
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Posted on 1/25/17 at 9:47 pm to
Japan committed worse atrocities than Germany. People don't care because of the location on the globe in which it happened. Germany did what they did in Europe so people care and to Jews which really makes people care. I'd say the Soviet Union was worse than Germany, as well.
Posted by Rebel
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Posted on 1/25/17 at 9:49 pm to
Also since the jews pretty much control Hollywood and media, they make sure portray themselves as victims every chance they get.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 1/25/17 at 9:52 pm to
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ETA: On second thought, Hirohito most likely should've held some blame for the atrocities being that he was the emperor.


Exactly, which is why I think we should have killed the whole royal family over 18.
Posted by michael corleone
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Posted on 1/25/17 at 9:52 pm to
There is a really good , but unpopular, reason for this.
Posted by Bushmaster
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Posted on 1/25/17 at 9:52 pm to
My great uncle who just recently passed away at the ripe old age of 94 fought for 6 months in the Battle of Luzon. He never talked about it till a few years ago when we would drink scotch together.

He fought in the Market Garden and compared that to a walk in the park.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 1/25/17 at 9:54 pm to
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The Chinese don't have a victim complex like the jews


Move to China. They love nothing more than to talk about killing Japanese people. It's a very easy way to make quick friends of them.
Posted by JazzyJeff
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Posted on 1/25/17 at 9:55 pm to
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Japan committed worse atrocities than Germany. People don't care because of the location on the globe in which it happened. Germany did what they did in Europe so people care and to Jews which really makes people care. I'd say the Soviet Union was worse than Germany, as well.
The Jews, to their credit, have placed their unfortunate history, to the exclusion of equal or far worse atrocities, into the world's conscience forever.
Posted by Rebel
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Posted on 1/25/17 at 9:56 pm to
My grandfather spent the war in N Africa.

I would always say, "you sure didn't get many".
Posted by Bushmaster
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Posted on 1/25/17 at 10:00 pm to
The North African stuff has been very glossed over for some reason.
Posted by tigerbacon
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Posted on 1/25/17 at 10:18 pm to
Because the US was just as bad to the Japanese.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 1/25/17 at 10:19 pm to
I think it's because that while they were just a cruel and brutal as the Germans, the Japanese atrocities were very different from the Germans. Take the "Rape of Nanking" for example. This was a period of a few weeks where the Japanese Army went on a frenzied orgy of murder, torture, and rape. They killed Chinese civilians in the tens of thousands. But then they stopped. After that, they were still brutal. But the killings, at least the mass killings stopped for the most part.

The Germans were different. First, they murdered on a scale the Japanese never dreamed of. And not only did the Germans murder, they were literally trying to exterminate entires groups of people, including trying to wipe out an entire race. And it was not just the numbers that set the Germans apart. The Germans had as official government policy, the extermination of entire peoples. And there was the fact the Germans built a massive industrial complex spanning most of central and Eastern Europe, employing tens of thousands of people, for the sole purpose of first collecting, then killing, and finally disposing of millions of people.

This more than anything, the complex organization and industrialization of murder, is what sets the Germans aside and on their own when it comes to war atrocities. No other country had ever done that before. The world simply has never seen anything remotely like what the Germans did.

The atrocities the Japanese visited out on conquered enemies were just cases of an army being brutal towards its vanquished foes. Armies have done this since the beginning of time. In other words, the Japanese were not doing anything new or really even that unusual. The Germans on the other hand were.
Posted by LSUZombie
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Posted on 1/25/17 at 10:21 pm to
We love sushi more than bratwurst
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/25/17 at 10:22 pm to
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What Japan did in China should be a stain that can't wash off but they got a pass somehow.

i don't even think they ADMIT it happened
Posted by LSUZombie
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Posted on 1/25/17 at 10:22 pm to
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Because the US was just as bad to the Japanese.


The hook is showing
Posted by CelticDog
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Posted on 1/25/17 at 10:25 pm to
the Japanese did what conquering armies did for thousands of years.
rape, pillage.
and treated the losers with distain. nothing really unusual. Even Pearl Harbor was pretty ordinary. Its not like Attila the Hun or Genghis Khan gave notice before they plundered some eastern European villages.

The Germans had a plan to eliminate from the DNA pool of earth all Jews and all gypsies, and priests who stood up for decency.
As someone noted, American Jews had relatives in Europe who were victims of the Germans. The huge numbers of Polish in Chicago and other industrial centers of northern USA and Canada all had relatives who were killed by the Germans, same as the USA Jews. So there were lots of Americans who bore a grudge.
When I was 7, my grandmother handed me a pictorial history of WW II.
My aunt walked by, and saw what I was reading ( photo of a broad Warsaw street, featuring Polish men, hung by ropes from lampposts) and hollered to my grandmother who was by then in another room. "He's too young for that".
Grandmother hollers back, "He should know".
I suspect that scene was enacted in various forms in the homes of Jews around the world.







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