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re: Why does Imperial Japan not get the same rep as Nazi Germany

Posted on 1/25/17 at 10:36 pm to
Posted by MadDoggyStyle
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Posted on 1/25/17 at 10:36 pm to
No Jews killed in the pacific theater to speak of. Had there been, oh this would be a story!
Posted by dgnx6
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Posted on 1/25/17 at 10:36 pm to
Probably because we put them in camps and dropped nukes on them. shite some people think what we did was way worse.

Posted by Tom288
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Posted on 1/25/17 at 10:38 pm to
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Because the US was just as bad to the Japanese.




Are you fricking kidding me? Give me your arguments to support that assertion.
Posted by theGarnetWay
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Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 1/25/17 at 10:38 pm to
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Japan committed worse atrocities than Germany. People don't care because of the location on the globe in which it happened. Germany did what they did in Europe so people care and to Jews which really makes people care. I'd say the Soviet Union was worse than Germany, as well.


I'd also like to note that the communist won the civil war in China and we were fighting them directly in Korea not long after WW2 ended. So, I imagine that quelled a lot of sympathy for the Chinese immediately following the war.
Posted by Farkwad
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Posted on 1/25/17 at 10:41 pm to
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This post was edited on 1/25/17 at 10:42 pm
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 1/25/17 at 10:42 pm to
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the Japanese did what conquering armies did for thousands of years.


Exactly. While what the Japanese did was horrible and rightly shocking to the world, it was nothing new. However, like I said earlier, what the Germans were doing was something the world had never seen.

Think of it this way for comparative purposes. Imagine the Japanese as a member of a street gang that gets busted by the cops after killing a number of rivals and maybe some drug dealers. It's terrible, but people barely notice.

If that's what Japan was, then Germany was more like a Jeffrey Dalhmer where not only did he murder a bunch of people, he did it in a way that's so shocking and disturbing it jolts the public and becomes a huge story.

This is why Japan does not have the same rep as Germany.

This post was edited on 1/25/17 at 10:47 pm
Posted by ZappBrannigan
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:33 pm to
It's pretty obvious you aren't reading the history books there's heaps of scorn in the real stuff.


The real answer is while rebuilding we intentionally put all blame on to Toto and the higher up officers.

This saved face of what was left of their middle classes and kept the Imperial family blameless.

We also encouraged a "forget these 20 years happened" program in their education system.

We also made a bad deal for their "research" during the war. Gave a lot of plea deals and immunity to their scientists for what amounted to piles of useless junk. So buyer's remorse on that one. Looked too shiny after all the steals we got from the Germans.

Oceania and Eastern Asia, particularly the Koreans and China, would love to see Japan burnt down again, just for kicks, but that's just Asians for you mostly nowadays.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:37 pm to
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Germany was more like a Jeffrey Dalhmer where not only did he murder a bunch of people, he did it in a way that's so shocking and disturbing it jolts the public and becomes a huge story.


very good analogy


astonishing.





Posted by USMCTiger03
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:43 pm to
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Because the US was just as bad to the Japanese.

There's our idiot.
Posted by Bushmaster
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Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:46 pm to
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 1/26/17 at 12:08 am to
The war in Europe is so much more famous than the war in the Pacific. Most Americans only learn about Pearl Harbor and the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Whereas they here all about Hitler and the Holocaust.

Posted by Sisyphus
Member since Feb 2014
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Posted on 1/26/17 at 12:27 am to
This seems like a good spot to drop this video. It's all about the lives lost in WW2 broken down by country.

LINK
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 1/26/17 at 12:41 am to
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The war in Europe is so much more famous than the war in the Pacific


Well, if you look at it objectively, WWII was primarily a European War. The scale of the Eastern Front alone dwarfs anything seen in the Pacific.
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 1/26/17 at 12:55 am to
The atrocities of the Japanese are not ignored by history. The emperor was spared as a matter of practicality of maintaining control over the population. The United States had a use for him which was to be a puppet and a sort of hostage

However they don't get the same reputation because industrialized death camps is still something entirely unique in all of history. It was such a sick and regrettably well executed conspiracy that it occupies its own stratosphere of awful
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
73564 posts
Posted on 1/26/17 at 12:56 am to
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My great uncle who just recently passed away at the ripe old age of 94 fought for 6 months in the Battle of Luzon. He never talked about it till a few years ago when we would drink scotch together.

He fought in the Market Garden and compared that to a walk in the park.



While the individual Japanese infeantryman had a well earned reputation for being among the best in the world, the Japanese army was actually decades behind the other major warring powers from a developmental standpoint. Yes, they were very successful in China and in the opening initial moves of WWII in 41. But that's because they were facing foes even more poorly equipped than they were.

While the Japanese Navy and army air forces were very modern and had some of the best equipment in the world, their army on the other hand was woefully equipped and built to refight a WWI style static trench war than a modern, mobile combined arms fight. But for the Japanese for most of WWII this was not too big of a problem because in the Pacific, the task of defending small islands lended itself to static defensive warfare which the Japanese were excellent at.

However, as the Soviets proved first in 1939 and again in 1945, when the Japanese army tried to fight a modern army trained and equipped to fight a mobile combined arms style of war out in open terrain, the Japanese were in fact woefully ill prepared and easily defeated. The Japanese simply were not trained or equipped to fight a modern war. In fact, even the Italians were better trained and equipped in this regard.
Posted by PowerTool
The dark side of the road
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 1/26/17 at 2:09 am to
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Meh, you use a country to experiment two doomsday devices on, you cut them some slack.



That's the serious and correct answer. And we basically owned them for a while afterwords.
Posted by Ed Osteen
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Posted on 1/26/17 at 4:55 am to
LEGALIZE RANCH
Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
Member since Oct 2010
72937 posts
Posted on 1/26/17 at 5:04 am to
Because of the gas chambers I'd speculate
Posted by Priapus
Member since Oct 2012
1950 posts
Posted on 1/26/17 at 6:55 am to
Tha frick did Toto do? He had every right to bite that mean ole bitch.
Posted by Pectus
Internet
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Posted on 1/26/17 at 7:20 am to
Paid for it with the A-bomb
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