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re: Why do you believe that we should be driving electric vehicles?
Posted on 10/6/21 at 11:14 pm to StTiger
Posted on 10/6/21 at 11:14 pm to StTiger
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The average speed travelled over the entire 24 hour period was almost 116 km/h (72 mph), including recharging stops. The driving stages were conducted at high speeds of averaging around 100 mph (160 km/h) for just under an hour on each circuit. Then the vehicle was topped up by around 52% in around 15-16 minutes on the Ionity charger, to recharge for each subsequent driving session. The record was set despite frequent periods of rain, and headwinds.
That charge time is nice but still too long
you are missing perspective.
99% of drives for over 90% of drivers will not encounter waiting at chargers. Most charging is done at home/work where you are not waiting any time at all, you are already there. you need to consider how much time is wasted in the weekly trip to the gas pump.
if you outrange your vehicle more than 1x a month then maybe there is a point to time saving, but if you arent regularly outranging the car then you save way more time collectively with an EV than ICE.
Posted on 10/6/21 at 11:18 pm to weagle99
I think the market should decide. That's how capitalism works.
I don't think those that sit in high places should tell us what cars to drive.
I don't think those that sit in high places should tell us what cars to drive.
Posted on 10/6/21 at 11:21 pm to Clames
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Range, convenience, and utility simply aren't there for me and probably won't be in my lifetime.
tesla cybtertruck range 500+miles, utility and convenience beats the piss out of ICE trucks similar to its size/weight and itl probably be out next year maybe this year.
Posted on 10/6/21 at 11:21 pm to AMS
I mainly meant for long road trips and if a country/manufacturers go full electric
My family would be happy because we'd be forced to say 30-1 hour to recharge
But likely gas stations would adapt with charging stations and add in ways to occupy time
My family would be happy because we'd be forced to say 30-1 hour to recharge
But likely gas stations would adapt with charging stations and add in ways to occupy time
Posted on 10/6/21 at 11:28 pm to noonan
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I don't think those that sit in high places should tell us what cars to drive.
...they already have for decades and EVs aren't changing anything with regard to that. we probably would have seen EVs come about sooner had it not been for gov influence propping up the automobile ICE industry for many decades.
Posted on 10/6/21 at 11:31 pm to Hazelnut
quote:what about the power plants that generate electricity? Are those run from giant clean energy batteries? Where do those batteries get their energy?
deplorable smog filled conditions. EV's help reduce that which will greatly improve our health.
Posted on 10/6/21 at 11:32 pm to HeadSlash
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Where's all this extra electricity going to come from? We can't keep California going in the summer months and look at Texas this past winter.
Production really isn't the issue. If you run the numbers switching every passenger car to an EV tomorrow results in roughly a 25% increase per year in total electrical production. This initially sounds like a lot but given the fact the vast majority of charging is naturally done in off-peak hours very little or any of that requires an increase in momentary production it just requires higher production when production is normally scaled back.
The bigger issue is local distribution which in many areas is more stressed than overall production but shares the commonality that even the most stressed residential areas still have large excesses in off-peak hours. So smart grids/connected chargers along with social engineering (ie discounts for off-peak charging) can significantly reduce the stress on the distribution side.
While and issue if you run the numbers you will see it is a very approachable problem especially over the period of time EVs will take to penetrate the majority of the market.
Posted on 10/6/21 at 11:32 pm to xXLSUXx
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Imagine a world without traffic. All cars connected via networks. No need for stop signs or red lights. It'll just adjust speeds to time the crossings without stopping
Heck, let's make machines that wipe our asses too.
Jk. If you don't take many long haul drives they will be by far superior.
Posted on 10/6/21 at 11:39 pm to StTiger
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I mainly meant for long road trips and if a country/manufacturers go full electric
I know what you meant and was responding to it. seriously, how often do you go on long road trips where you outrange your vehicle multiple times? is it anywhere near >1x a month?
if not then you certainly will waste way more time pumping gas than you would charging at places you are already going to be.
unless your argument is that you prefer wasting much more time overall to save a small amount of time on rare road trips?
Posted on 10/6/21 at 11:40 pm to YNWA
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To bankrupt the Saudis
Plastic is made from petroleum.
Posted on 10/6/21 at 11:46 pm to Hazelnut
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Yes, electricity still causes pollution to make. But it can be made in more remote areas and thus reduce city smog.
So pollute pristine country side so city people can live in a clean environment? Get bent.
Anyone who supports the electric car movement that lives in southeast Louisiana should be exiled to California. Let’s all go green and all be poor. Sounds like a plan.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 12:05 am to weagle99
Fast. Quiet. Self driving.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 12:22 am to Eli Goldfinger
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We should be driving cars thar run on hydrogen
Ding ding ding winner
Posted on 10/7/21 at 12:22 am to AMS
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tesla cybtertruck range 500+miles, utility and convenience beats the piss out of ICE trucks similar to its size/weight and itl probably be out next year maybe this year.
One night last month I left my house at 8:00 At night, started driving to Ft Davis TX in west Texas without giving a single seconds thought as to where, or if I would get fuel. Until there are enough charging stations to do that with a EV truck it doesn’t come close to the utility and convenience of s ICE powered truck.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 12:37 am to BRL79
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If you don't take many long haul drives they will be by far superior.
Let's game out the long-haul drives in the mythical connected self-driving world.
You would assume in that scenario you would have increased speed limits, especially on interstates. So on a 1,000 mile in a day drive considering no fuel stops for the ICE it would give you 1.75 hours of charging for the EV to arrive at the same time. If you assume that in that distant future cars would at least charge at the rate of a Tesla supercharger you could easily get finished with a 1,000-mile road trip faster in the EV with a modest increase in speed limit. This might swing back to the ICE is you are a habitual speeder since the connected cars won't exceed the limit by design but the speed limit increases might not be so modest and still get you there faster with charging an EV in route. Also note there would be a much lower chance of traffic backups in a self-driving world.
Also, don't negate the fatigue factor. I think most people would rather ride 15 hours in a self-driving car than drive 14 hours unless there was an emergency that time trumped fatigue.
Further, note that ICE vehicles could be self-driving as well it is just more complicated to incorporate it.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 6:58 am to mjthe
I am convinced he is a retired typing teacher. Dude doesn’t have the ability to create a short post.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 7:28 am to TDTOM
at least his posts contain content, logic, and some self-research. We got Oweo out here telling antidotal tales and mixing in huis feelings in a small essay form
Posted on 10/7/21 at 7:33 am to noonan
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I don't think those that sit in high places should tell us what cars to drive.
I remember when leftist worried that Trump was an authoritarian. Now they fully embrace it through Biden.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 7:34 am to Clames
quote:I hear you, all fair points. An EV isn't for everyone, especially at this time.
Range, convenience, and utility simply aren't there for me and probably won't be in my lifetime.
But Yea, I was more so speaking to just the driving aspect.
This post was edited on 10/7/21 at 7:35 am
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