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re: Why do people think electric cars are somehow better for the environment?
Posted on 1/14/19 at 2:52 pm to Darth_Vader
Posted on 1/14/19 at 2:52 pm to Darth_Vader
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I said they have a greater overall environmental impact because of what it takes to first make and then dispose/recycle the batteries.
can you provide this data?
because everything I'm finding says you're wrong
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Posted on 1/14/19 at 2:53 pm to Salmon
Don't worry, he'll post some geocities links here pretty soon to tell you what's what.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 2:54 pm to shel311
I usually don't feed the trolls, but damn he seemed so sincere in his OP about wanting to learn the truth.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 2:54 pm to Salmon
A Prius's environmental impact breaks even around 160k miles. Not sure how that compares with full electrics, but that number is only going to go down as the technology advances.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 2:56 pm to LNCHBOX
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A Prius's environmental impact breaks even around 160k miles. Not sure how that compares with full electrics,
I just read a study that said 18 months of regular usage
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but that number is only going to go down as the technology advances.
exactly
but hey, you know us humans, we never improve anything, that internet thing will never take off
Posted on 1/14/19 at 2:58 pm to madmaxvol
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Well...that's not a constraint in graphene... Graphene vapor deposition, baw..
Thanks- very interesting!
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:03 pm to Salmon
I’m all for further innovation, part of my job where I work is to advise at team doing just that in the earth moving equipment industry. So I do know more about battery power vehicles than you give me credit for.
And one thing I’ve come to realize by working on this project, and what gave me the idea for this tread, is that electric power vehicles, while they are probably the future, will not prove to be the magical answer for the environment that people are being led to believe. Batteries are nasty. Thryre made of highly toxic shite that are not only terrible for us and the environment, the process to get those items also is terrible for the environment. And on top of that, batteries have a life. They’re only good for so long. Yes, they last longer than they use it, but they still eventually die and have to be disposed of. And I know about that process. I’ve toured facilities dedicated to battery recycling and disposal. I’ve talked to the engineers at these places to get a better idea of what goes into it. So yes, while one day may come when batteries are not so horrible on the environment. But that day isn’t anywhere close to being here.
And one thing I’ve come to realize by working on this project, and what gave me the idea for this tread, is that electric power vehicles, while they are probably the future, will not prove to be the magical answer for the environment that people are being led to believe. Batteries are nasty. Thryre made of highly toxic shite that are not only terrible for us and the environment, the process to get those items also is terrible for the environment. And on top of that, batteries have a life. They’re only good for so long. Yes, they last longer than they use it, but they still eventually die and have to be disposed of. And I know about that process. I’ve toured facilities dedicated to battery recycling and disposal. I’ve talked to the engineers at these places to get a better idea of what goes into it. So yes, while one day may come when batteries are not so horrible on the environment. But that day isn’t anywhere close to being here.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:04 pm to Darth_Vader
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I’m all for further innovation
The premise of this thread sure seems to disagree.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:07 pm to Darth_Vader
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So yes, while one day may come when batteries are not so horrible on the environment. But that day isn’t anywhere close to being here.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:17 pm to Darth_Vader
So you ask a scientific question, then proceed to tell everyone how their scientific data is wrong based on an argument from authority?
"You're wrong. Trust me, I know. I am an anonymous guy on the internet." -Darth_Vader
"You're wrong. Trust me, I know. I am an anonymous guy on the internet." -Darth_Vader
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:17 pm to Darth_Vader
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I’m all for further innovation, part of my job where I work is to advise at team doing just that in the earth moving equipment industry. So I do know more about battery power vehicles than you give me credit for.
If you did you would target rare earth metals over batteries.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:19 pm to CoachChappy
quote:They will be recycled, and there are many different ways to do so.
Nobody has ever told me what we are going to do with those batteries when they die.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:25 pm to Tigeralum2008
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I hate how innovation someone doesn't understand is now being termed, "Looney left"
Gasoline production is a dirty affair just like battery production.
The reason I am pro-electric has nothing to do with the environment. It is simply cost. I can get 300 miles out of my electric vehcile at a cost of $1.75 whereas 300 miles on a camry would be $10.75 (roughly assuming 30 MPG and gas price of $1.75/gal). That cost of gasoline also goes up at a greater rate than electricity when the price of oil increases.
Well since I work in the oilfield with a shite load of other people from Louisiana, you want to put millions of people around the world out of work? That's the problem with liberals. No sense, just talk to talk to be different. There is one reason I'm back offhsore right now and that's Donald Trump. The US is no longer dependent on other countries for oil thanks to him.So the gulf is booming right now. Me and my family are happier now. I lost my job because of Obummer and got it back because of Trump. Period! Fact!
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:32 pm to Korkstand
quote:As well as a lot of research/articles on how it will be done and how it can already be done much cleaner than just 10 or even 5 years ago.
They will be recycled, and there are many different ways to do so.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:33 pm to The Blue Stuff
quote:Unfortunately, that is simply not a reason to stop innovation.
Well since I work in the oilfield with a shite load of other people from Louisiana, you want to put millions of people around the world out of work?
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:40 pm to J Murdah
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easier and cleaner to make electricity than to refine petroleum
boom. OP is shut down in one simple sentence.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:40 pm to Goldrush25
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I got it because I live in an apartment complex that doesn't charge me to keep it charged. Spending $0 on fuel is pretty cool
It's not free, it's part of your rent so you're paying for it whether you use it or not. You are just using it since you have that car. You are probably still saving money on average though.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:44 pm to The Blue Stuff
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Well since I work in the oilfield with a shite load of other people from Louisiana, you want to put millions of people around the world out of work?
Dude no one gives a frick about your job. If it saves me money to drive an electric car I nor anyone with a brain would think twice.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:47 pm to NOFOX
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Honda recently had a news release on a breakthrough on fluoride-ion battery technology in conjunction with the NASA jet propulsion lab that may allow for 10x storage compared to Lithium ion technology and will last longer.
Even with 10x the energy density they are far belown the energy available in a tank of gasoline. Sorry to break it to those of you that slept through chemistry and physics but there isn't any type of battery technology on the horizon that equals the energy capacity, convenience, and safety of gasoline or diesel.
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You would only have to charge once a week with greatly increased range.
You'd have to charge longer so that benefit is less than you think. Seriously, do you not know how battery charging works? If you have a 50kWh battery and a 500kWh battery being charged by a 5kW charger, you aren't charging the latter battery in the same time you were charging the smaller, you are just spending 10x longer to charge it. A charger capable of bringing that time down significantly will need extensive electrical upgrades and you aren't using NEMA WD6's.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:48 pm to J Murdah
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It's easier and cleaner to make electricity than to refine petroleum
Not necessarily. Refineries will never completely shut down. There are many other chemicals that are a byproduct of crude oil.
Many of these chemicals feed our petrochemical plants that produce things like plastics, pharmaceuticals, lubricants, rubber etc.
Petrochemicals aren’t going anywhere so refineries aren’t going anywhere.
Not only that but as demand for electricity for cars goes up, natural gas prices will too. Along with more power plants to burn the natural gas and more drilling/fracking to get it out of the ground.
Ideally, we find a healthy medium of electric/diesel/gas/hybrid.
Now people driving around f250’s to make groceries and drive to their desk job is a real problem.
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