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millerf43
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re: Why do people admit someone is smarter than they are, but still refuse to listen?
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Older directors do not innovate and typically fall into what "they know"


Experience, what "they know," is more often than not more valuable than "innovation." Setting yourself up to be an adversary of someone with more experience, a proven track record, and influence within the company demonstrates poor judgement. If you're demonstrating poor judgement, you'll never be in a position to make decisions for the organization.

Your director has a boss. Demonstrate that you have the ability to influence your directors decisions without undermining your directors position and you'll have a position at the table. Neither your director nor the director's boss will promote a subordinate whose instinct is to undermine a management position. How is can you expect to be promoted to a position when you're demonstrating contempt for management?

I think you're underestimating the scope of business decisions that your directors are required to make. My hope is that you decide to be patient and learn from the experience of those in leadership positions. Every good manager wants to support and advance talented subordinates. Demonstrate your talent not your contempt.

....or start your own business if your ideas and talent are superior. Just keep in mind that when you own/operate a business it's in your best interest to be the dumbest guy in the room.


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gthog61
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re: Why do people admit someone is smarter than they are, but still refuse to listen?
Nobody at my work is better than I am at what I do. Lots of people are better than I am at shite I would never want to do anyway.

Separation of labor makes the world work


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MusclesofBrussels
Member since Dec 2015
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re: Why do people admit someone is smarter than they are, but still refuse to listen?
I just took a quick look at your post history. You should really google the Dunning-Kruger effect...


supadave3
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re: Why do people admit someone is smarter than they are, but still refuse to listen?
Different people being different things to the table. A guy I work with has been part of the clients organization for 10+ years amd knows the ins and out of everything historically and he’s extremely smart. But, he’s got the personality of a fence post and his demeanor comes across as very condescending, even when he tries not to be that way it’s awkwardly forced. I’m kind of the opposite so while we often disagree, we have respect for each other’s skills and have become a pretty good team even though we often frustrate each other.

Is he smarter than me? I don’t know. He knows more than me about our work, but he’s definitely not ‘better’ than me nor me than him.



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Kujo
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re: Why do people admit someone is smarter than they are, but still refuse to listen?
You people have internalized my comments as it seems to have triggered your own insecurities. You are not aware of my situation, as I'm not aware of yours, don't get so butt hurt.

Attacking me is simply taking away from the point because for whatever reason you all seem to need to lash out at the guy who made you think about what you don't want to think about.

Why do people feel the need to stand in someone else's way? If this were sports, you would recognize that player X is a better player than you, and would work to get them the ball, right?

In a way it's the same thing. If someone can run circles around you, then work with them, not against them. Like I said a couple months ago to the interim director of the department I'm leaving, "If you don't agree with me, it just means that I didn't explain it clearly enough to you, because I'm not wrong."

And yes, they ended up doing exactly what I told them to do, after being completely against it two months ago. And yes, they've asked me to stay, but I've decided to move on.
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AA77
Member since Jan 2016
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re: Why do people admit someone is smarter than they are, but still refuse to listen?
I love the quote and it's true, but the dude went to Penn.


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Navtiger1
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Member since Aug 2007
2487 posts

re: Why do people admit someone is smarter than they are, but still refuse to listen?
You really are full of yourself. You aren't as smart as you think you are, you sound like a really shitty employee, and you would be horrible at HR. Your pencil idea is stupid. where does the pencil fall, i'm not diving under a desk in an interview.

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If this were sports, you would recognize that player X is a better player than you, and would work to get them the ball, right?


You sound like the best kicker in the NFL, but i'm not putting you in at RB. You're a specialty guy who i only use when i have to, because your annoying and lack ability in all other facets of the game.

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Like I said a couple months ago to the interim director of the department I'm leaving, "If you don't agree with me, it just means that I didn't explain it clearly enough to you, because I'm not wrong."


You are way too full of yourself, you aren't as smart as you think you are. That is why that person is the director and you are now some other Directors problem. If you were truly better, you would have replaced one of those aging directors, instead you bounce around being subordinate to them all.



fr33manator
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Member since Oct 2010
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re: Why do people admit someone is smarter than they are, but still refuse to listen?
I’m really glad he made this thread though, because I’m thinking back and realizing I was a lot like him some 10 odd years ago. Arrogant, full of myself because I had more book learning than a lot.

And I look at my own words now and thank god I was knocked on my arse and forced by fate to “slum” with the bottom laborers.

Man...hindsight is 2020. But the perspective it gave me. Going from an egghead teacher to an operator was the start. That White collar to blue collar, but still mid level.

Then all the shite that happened in a short span and I was so low, so broken.
Then building scaffolds, being the only white boy on crews, black and Hispanic, and learning how to break down those barriers and connect with people who had wholly different life experiences than my own and still being able to engender positive relationships from that...

Those are probably the years that taught me the most about life. About men.

Going from someone who knew it all, to someone who thought he knew nothing, and through the fire and the smoke coming out on the other side, scarred but surviving and realizing that it’s knowing what you know and what you can learn from others that makes a better man out of you.

Humility. It’s not weakness, it’s the ability to adapt and accept you aren’t the swinging dick you thought you were. And in that, you can find confidence.

frick this is cathartic. God bless the baws of the OT. Saw me through some rough times


MusclesofBrussels
Member since Dec 2015
3020 posts

re: Why do people admit someone is smarter than they are, but still refuse to listen?
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You people have internalized my comments as it seems to have triggered your own insecurities. You are not aware of my situation, as I'm not aware of yours, don't get so butt hurt.

Attacking me is simply taking away from the point because for whatever reason you all seem to need to lash out at the guy who made you think about what you don't want to think about.



Meh, this is a very unusual thread that makes you seem on the spectrum more than anything else. It made me interested in your previous post history, which is embarrassing. For example, it's hard for me to believe that the author of this rambling, incoherent diatribe is anything other than an idiot:

LINK


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mmmmmbeeer
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ATL
Member since Nov 2014
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re: Why do people admit someone is smarter than they are, but still refuse to listen?
If you have all of the solutions, speak up. If you have conviction, you won't be afraid.

For a long time, I was the guy who would sit in on meetings disgusted by what I heard...thinking incredibly poor decisions were being made...and never say a word until after the meeting to some work friends.

frick that. If you think you're right, speak up. If you're right, you'll gain respect. If you're wrong, you'll be quickly humbled.

Seems you're incredibly passive-aggressive which, as I've grown older, I've come to realize is nothing more than a lack of conviction and confidence. If you see Jim Bob fricking up at work, tell him so (tactfully, of course). If you choose to just mumble under your breath how Jim Bob is a fricking idiot and you could do it better, well, at least ole Jim Bob has conviction and tries what he thinks is best. You? You're nothing more than an armchair qb who thinks they know it all.


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Navtiger1
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re: Why do people admit someone is smarter than they are, but still refuse to listen?
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I look at my own words now and thank god I was knocked on my arse and forced by fate to “slum” with the bottom laborers.


But he sees everyone as beneath him laborers, management, corporate; He's always the smartest man in the room. So, he is never going to learn that the reason he can't advance is staring at him in the mirror. He has no humility. and i agree with the other poster he is probably on the spectrum some place.


olgoi khorkhoi
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re: Why do people admit someone is smarter than they are, but still refuse to listen?
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For whatever reason, while they acknowledge that the person is a faster thinker, more creative, and tends to know exactly what needs and should be done... they seem hell bent on trying it on their own as a collective group, only to begrudgingly calling for help just to get them over their mental hump, only for them to say "okay, okay...we got it from here..



I avoid this awkward situation by always being the smartest guy in the room. I also don’t give advice, so people are not free to come to me before or after they’ve stepped in shite.


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fr33manator
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Member since Oct 2010
97100 posts

re: Why do people admit someone is smarter than they are, but still refuse to listen?
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He has no humility. and i agree with the other poster he is probably on the spectrum some place.


I keep hearing about this fricking “spectrum”. Seems everyone that has a quirk or a nervous tic or whatnot is “on the spectrum”.

You know what, everyone is weird. We all have crazy shite we do. People are eccentric. People have their certain peccadillos.

Just because you ain’t as normal as a dryer setting doesn’t mean you need some label to lean on like a crutch. People are crazy, some a little, some a lot.

I’m sure they would have said I was “on the spectrum”. And maybe I would have hidden behind it like a excuse. Thank god they didn’t. I had to learn how to deal with people, and to change some of the things that made people not like me. It’s called developing your personality.

Do I still struggle with depression at times? Sure. Do I have manic episodes where I’ll stay up for two days writing, and I can’t stop until I get it out, and seemingly every new event spurs some other creative need I have?

Yup.

But it ain’t a disability. It ain’t something that’s “wrong” with me. It’s just me.

I think we have too many damn labels. Too many self -diagnosed people that collect these badges like Pokémon, because they think it makes them special, or deserving of some victim points.

And it’s stunting the emotional growth of a whole generation.


Navtiger1
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Washington
Member since Aug 2007
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re: Why do people admit someone is smarter than they are, but still refuse to listen?
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But it ain’t a disability. It ain’t something that’s “wrong” with me. It’s just me.


It doesn't mean there is anything wrong with you or him. But having something like Asperger's explains a lot about his interaction with people. And knowing your situation can help you adjust your behavior. Autism is a real thing, it doesn't mean those people can't function, most can.

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And it’s stunting the emotional growth of a whole generation.


Well that's the bull shite ADD/ADHD which is bull shite and way over diagnosed and medicated. That has stunted the growth of an entire generation that and gluten/peanut allergies!


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mikelbr
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Member since Apr 2008
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re: Why do people admit someone is smarter than they are, but still refuse to listen?
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If you’re a 20-year Oracle dba,

Highly unlikely until late 20s for any credibility and certs.
But Anyhoots.

IT nerds and engineers are second only to female OT posters in the list of people you never take advice from. All three are arrogant self centered cockmonkeys with the self-awareness of a Junebug.
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fr33manator
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re: Why do people admit someone is smarter than they are, but still refuse to listen?
A man who knows


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PensaTigers
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Member since Sep 2018
1765 posts

re: Why do people admit someone is smarter than they are, but still refuse to listen?
Not gonna read your wall o text but ill answer your question in title.

People are capable of critical thinking. They can identify someone is capable of higher thinking. But what they can't do is overrule their built in instincts to be aligned with the common social view.

Were built to stand behind our thinking. Its science. If you're not built and ready to be wrong, it can demolish your self confidence and make you feel hopelessly insecure. I think the most admirable person is someone who can admit they're wrong, even knowing it might make the other person think they're always right.

Thats what makes admitting wrong even harder today. Just cuz you're right once doesnt mean you're alright right but thats exactly where the human mind naturally goes.

Were not naturally reasonable. We must build rationality and self esteem to overcome our animalistic instincts.

Edit: Rising above this helps so much in all your relationships. You can identify when a person is doing this and better walk them through the acceptance process. Some will deny even the most obviously logical facts adhering to this base instinct. Anger and pride reinforce that base instinct. Approach with understanding and care. Do everything you can to take a superior tone out of your approach.

Just be aware that if someone still fights aggressively against truth, they may not be someone who belongs in your life.

Double edit: "not gonna read your wall o text" *proceeds to write a wall o text*
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PensaTigers
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Member since Sep 2018
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re: Why do people admit someone is smarter than they are, but still refuse to listen?
One of my favorite house md quotes:

If you could reason with religious people then there would be no religious people.


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oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
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re: Why do people admit someone is smarter than they are, but still refuse to listen?
Educated idiots is a real thing.


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Stealth Matrix
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re: Why do people admit someone is smarter than they are, but still refuse to listen?
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Why do people admit someone is smarter than they are, but still refuse to listen?

IQ =/= Expertise


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